<p>i know its common sense that harvard is better....but what do you think?</p>
<p>I can ask my friend who have taken math classes both at Harvard and Berkeley to get some opinion.</p>
<p>This is a dumb thread btw. Duke wins. :)</p>
<p>Yes Duke is better.</p>
<p>no...c'mon people...lets debate this</p>
<p>dark ninja, do you go to harvard?</p>
<p>UCB graduate program wise probably beats Harvard or is on par with Harvard on a lot of levels. Both located in ultra liberal cities, infamous Berkeley, and the People's Republic of Cambridge (PRC). erghhh, I'd still pick UMichigan over Duke anyday of the week though.haha</p>
<p>hhaha...and i'd pick emory over johns hopkins any day of the week as well.</p>
<p>^ I would too. So, do you go to Harvard??</p>
<p>and harvard is much better than berkeley...no question...when i was in london...i told a guy that i went to harvard...he was like "wow"...then my friend next to me told him he went to ucb...and the guy was like...hmm never heard of that place....well...i'm sure its okay...but its no harvard hahah...</p>
<p>You might want to read post 13 again. :)</p>
<p>Ph.D. programs? Berkeley is much stronger.</p>
<p>Undergrad? The actual instruction is probably on par, but the reputation of H trumps all.</p>
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<p>It's not "common sense" that one school is "better" than the other.
Common sense more accurately describes not shoving one's head into an oven.</p>
<p>It's an inherently subjective question of personal opinion; some may prefer one while others may prefer the other. By objective measures, such as undergraduate teaching quality, they're roughly equal.</p>
<p>Haha Harvard is 10x better. End of story. Its not subjective</p>
<p>Berkeley Engineering</p>
<p>Harvard's got the $ and the student body. Both have the faculty. Berkeley's got the tree sitters =P</p>
<p>Personally, I'm more partial to Berkeley's student body than Harvard's; alongside the geographic location, that pushes Berkeley over the top for me when compared to Harvard.</p>
<p>"And, two, the Socal weather, which a very pleasant weather all year round."</p>
<p>Cal is not in socal.</p>
<p>I go to Berkeley, so I'm probably biased. That being said, here's how I see it:</p>
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<li><p>Harvard's reputation definitely trumps Berkeley, hands-down. This is not to say that Berkeley doesn't have a good reputation (because it does), but, for lack of a better way of putting it, Harvard is Harvard. If you tell any person you went to Harvard, they'll know what you're talking about. Most people will know Berkeley, but still not as famous or well-reputed as Harvard. </p></li>
<li><p>Harvard also wins in terms of prestige. </p></li>
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<p>-As far as the level of instruction goes at the undergraduate level, I would say both are more or less the same. But, to be more specific, you have to break it down be program. I would say Berkeley has much better programs in Engineering, Computer Science, Chemistry, Biology, and Physics (if you look at Berkeley's track record on these, you'd agree with me). I would say Harvard is a lot better for English, History, Economics, Languages, Law, and other non-science subjects. </p>
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<li><p>For graduate education, you also have to break it down by program. I think Harvard easily takes the cake for professional degrees such as Law and Business (Although, it can be argued that the Haas School of Business is on par with Harvard). For Science-related graduate programs, it is generally no contest: Berkeley wins (once again, look at Berkeley's track record. Especially for chemistry and physics). As far as other graduate programs, I'd say its a bit of a toss up.</p></li>
<li><p>Another way to look at is Nobel Prizes: Harvard has 75 affiliated Nobel Laureates Compared to Berkeley's 61. </p></li>
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<p>Overall, I'd say Harvard does have the edge, but that is mostly thanks to its reputation. I think were the Harvard degree really helps is in networking. However, Berkeley is beginning to catch-up in that respect. Also, I wouldn't pay too much attention to University Rankings because those are mostly ********.</p>
<p>So, that my opinion. Even though I'm at Berkeley I think i've been pretty fair to both sides.</p>