<p>Also, Harvard has a lot more money. Which is a HUGE deal regardless of what others may tell you. (e.g. more money for research grants, etc.)</p>
<p>Harvard is the most prestigious university in this country. End of discussion.</p>
<p>agreed, it is the most prestigious... BY FAR. But there are other factors to consider</p>
<p>rjkofnovi -- OP did not ask which is more prestigious. OP asked which is better.</p>
<p>Regarding prestige, I believe this link says Berkeley is more prestigious at the Ph.D. level in 4 of the 5 main areas (which are comprised of 41 disciplines). The ranking is based on "faculty quality and effectiveness of program".</p>
<p>NRC</a> Rankings</p>
<p>Harvard takes the lead in the professional schools of Medicine, Law and Business, though in these areas Berkeley is behind Harvard about as far as Harvard is behind Berkeley in the 41 Ph.D. areas. In the popular culture, professional school superiority will have a much higher weighting than will have the 41 non professional Ph.D. areas.</p>
<p>OK DunninLA, Harvard is better. ;-)</p>
<p>yep harvard is better than little puny ucb...</p>
<p>wow, people WAYYYY overrate berkeley undergrad which really IS NOT that good... harvard is (arguably) the BEST OVERALL undergraduate institution in the country.... yes, in engineering, berkeley would be better though cause harvard engineering is a joke... </p>
<p>in terms of grad school, they are MUCH closer with Harvard still having an edge over UCB OVERALL....</p>
<p>danielstennis08 --</p>
<p>how is Harvard at the graduate level better than Berkeley? Per the link I posted in #26 above, Berkeley is the #1 Ph.D. university. It is ranked #1, and Harvard #4 (by simply aggregating the ranking number in the 5 main areas, lowest number wins -- with a slight bonus for having a ranking in all 5 areas). In the three professional schools, Harvard on average is #1 and Berkeley #4 or #5.</p>
<p>I assume you are making a qualitative judgement that the three professional schools together have more weight than the 41 Ph.D. disciplines? i.e. that vocational training trumps research. Is that correct?</p>
<p>Why is UCSF considered Berkeley's Med school. Is there a literal affiliation?</p>
<p>When there was only one UC -- Berkeley, which was the lone UC until 1919 with the founding of the Southern Branch (UCLA), the Regents established a health Sciences graduate school. </p>
<p>It didn't fit at Berkeley for practical reasons, so they put it in San Francisco where the patients were. So, in the ensuing years, while some of the other UC campuses established medical colleges as part of their mission (most notably UCLA), UC Berkeley did not add a second medical school, since UCSF functioned as the "UC medical school" just as Berkeley functioned as "the UC" until 1919. They operated on opposite sides of the Bay from each other for almost 50 years before UCLA was founded.</p>
<p>I have always said UCSF is Berkeley's "de facto" med school, as this was the situation from its founding.</p>
<p>So Berk has two top professional schools -- Boalt and Haas.</p>
<p>Bourne -- different take : The University of California until 1919 had two schools: Berkeley for everything except health sciences grad school, and UCSF, the health sciences grad school.</p>
<p>As UCSF does not have undergrad, it conceptually was and is the Med school for UC Berkeley.</p>
<p>In addition to having top notch ph.d programs, the quality of Stanford's professional schools and undergraduate student body are alot closer to Harvard's than Berkeley's.</p>
<p>For undergrad. it seems Berkeley's more on par with the other top publics.</p>
<p>Bourne -- I found a formal link between the two campuses:</p>
<p>The MD/MS Joint Medical Program</p>
<p>The UC Berkeley-UC San Francisco Joint Medical Program (JMP) is a unique five-year medical education program dedicated to training physician-leaders in the human, sociocultural, and bioethical contexts of health and disease. The first three years of study take place on the UC Berkeley campus, a short distance away across the San Francisco Bay, blending an innovative preclinical medical curriculum with rigorous research training. Students may take their graduate work in a wide array of subject areas well represented on the UC Berkeley campus – selecting thesis topics in the historical, social, ethical, epidemiological, or policy aspects of human health and disease. JMP students then transfer to UCSF for their last two years of study in the clinical core, joining the traditional track UCSF medical students. The JMP combines graduate and medical curricula leading to both MD and MS degrees. For detailed information, visit the UCB-UCSF Joint Medical Program site.</p>
<p>Applicants to the UCB-UCSF Joint Medical Program must meet all of the requirements of the UCSF School of Medicine and should apply through the regular admissions process. Applicants who pass a preliminary review will be approved for a secondary application from UCSF that will provide information on application to the Joint Medical Program. Each year 12 highly qualified students are accepted on the basis of motivation, background, and aptitude for an in-depth research experience and suitability for case-based, problem-oriented small group learning. While prior research experience is not mandatory, most applicants have had experience in the development of an independent or creative project. We highly recommend that students have completed an introductory course in statistics. </p>
<p>Contact:
Student Affairs Office
University of California
Health and Medical Sciences
570 University Hall #1190
Berkeley, CA 94720-1190
(510) 642-5671
Email: <a href="mailto:jmp@berkeley.edu">jmp@berkeley.edu</a>
Web Site: JMP</a> - Main Home Page</p>
<p>Keep in mind that I'm a UCB student:</p>
<p>I know my classmates wouldn't like me to say this, but Harvard is better overall (remember, this is coming from a Berkeley student). The only universities in the entire world that really rival Harvard are Oxford, Cambridge, and (maybe) Yale. Other than those three, there aren't any other fair comparisons to Harvard.</p>
<p>That being said, you have to remember that Berkeley is no joke (and far from it). Berkeley gets a lot of **** b/c its the poorest of the 'elite' schools in the country. However, I do feel that Berkeley does deserve to be put into the 'elite' class. I argue this for a number of reasons:</p>
<p>1) Berkeley's graduate and doctorate programs are as good as any available in the world.
2) Berkeley is top notch for various academic disciplines: it is the undoubted world leader in chemistry, and tied for the best in physics, engineering, computer science, mathematics.
3) Berkeley is a far better public school than some of the other top public schools (e.g. UCLA, UM: Ann Arbor). As such, it attracts some of the best and the brightest students from across the country and around the world
4) Though, not that same as that of Harvard, Berkeley has a terrific reputation.</p>
<p>As I said earlier, my argument here is not to establish Berkeley's superiority over Harvard because HARVARD IS BETTER. However, I feel as though some people in this thread are discounting Berkeley as being less than it is.</p>
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<p>This statement is wrong.</p>
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<p>This statement is wrong too.</p>
<p>In depends, do you want to study science and engineering or anything else?</p>
<p>Engineering at Harvard is muck. Truly poopy. Thats why they are investing like a billion dollars expanding into the Allston region and trying to pump up its engineering program. As of it right now, it sucks.</p>
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<p>Hehe, So what should I infer from this?</p>
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Rice/Baylor College of Medicine Medical Scholars Program
The Medical Scholars Program (MSP) promotes the education of students who are scientifically competent, compassionate, and socially conscious. It is the hope of Rice University and Baylor College of Medicine that these students will apply insight from the extensive study of liberal arts and other disciplines to the study of modern medical science. </p>
<p>The MSP students explore the entire range of Rice University undergraduate programs to the extent that their interests allow. After graduation, they begin their medical education at Baylor College of Medicine. </p>
<p>Each year, Rice and Baylor admit up to 14 incoming undergraduates into the program. The scholars complete the traditional four years at Rice followed by four years at Baylor for a medical degree. </p>
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