<p>bourne - yes, there are other such programs. that was just another data point to supplement the fact that for over 50 years, UC <em>at</em> Berkeley, and UC <em>at</em> San Francisco was the same, one and only UC.</p>
<p>Phead128, I saw that as well...They got there nice new building up too.
Luckily Harvard is next to MIT and you can enroll in MIT classes.</p>
<p>but regardless: harvard/yale/princeton>duke/penn/columbia>brown/dartmouth/cornell>wash u/johns hopkins/northwestern>ucb/umich/emory</p>
<p>all of this is prestige wise</p>
<p>oh yeah add mit and stanford and cal tech with hyp</p>
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but regardless: harvard/yale/princeton>duke/penn/columbia>brown/dartmouth/cornell>wash u/johns hopkins/northwestern>ucb/umich/emory</p>
<p>all of this is prestige wise
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<p>Exactly....thats what it is. I would personally put cornell one spot down but otherwise looks good. Its funny how many people here reject these rankings, buts thats the perception.</p>
<p>thanks....now i got the prestige rankings correct:</p>
<ol>
<li>HYPMS, Caltech</li>
<li>Duke, Penn, Columbia</li>
<li>Brown, Dartmouth</li>
<li>Wash U, JHU, Cornell, Northwestern, UCB</li>
<li>Michigan, UVA, Emory, Rice</li>
<li>UNC, Vanderbilt...</li>
</ol>
<p>Don't argue!</p>
<p>Your ranking is ridiculous:</p>
<p>I just computed these scores based on the THES (recruiter scores/peer ranks/alumni success), HEEACT (research impact (international)), US News (selectivity etc...), Top American Research Universities Ranking (national research impact/output) each worth 25%:</p>
<p>Harvard 98/100
Yale 84/100
Penn 82/100
Princeton 77/100
Berkeley 77/100
Cornell 73/100
Brown 59/100
Dartmouth 51/100</p>
<p>****, I left out Columbia:</p>
<p>Harvard 98/100
Yale 84/100
Columbia 83/100
Penn 82/100
Princeton 77/100
Berkeley 77/100
Cornell 73/100
Brown 59/100
Dartmouth 51/100</p>
<p>^ looks good to me...at least you left out "The Farm"...:p</p>
<p>Berkeley is harder to graduate from, the grading scale is much more severe, and you're forced to be more independent. Harvard has a bigger name at the undergrad level, but Berkeley is slightly stronger at the grad level. But this is a pretty stupid argument, esp. on this site, bc those who attend elite private schools are going to say Harvard bc the classes are smaller, it's more "prestigious," etc., while those who attend elite public schools will argue that Cal is just as good because you aren't held by the hand and are forced to find your own way, thus becoming a more independent thinker. So, to each his own I suppose. There are valid arguments on both sides.</p>
<p>sry but duke is up there and on par with columbia</p>
<p>I was only ranking Berkeley vs. Ivies</p>
<p>I'm not gonna sit down and do the calculations for every university in the US, but I think this is a fair ranking 1/2 international + national selectivity/prestige, 1/2 inter + national research ouput/impact :) I might do a few more later tonight.</p>
<p>so how does duke fit into ur ranking</p>
<p>Harvard 98/100
Yale 84/100
Columbia 83/100
Stanford 83/100
MIT 83/100
Penn 82/100
Johns Hopkins 80/100
Duke 80/100
Princeton 77/100
Berkeley 77/100
Caltech 74/100
Cornell 73/100
Brown 59/100
Dartmouth 51/100</p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>What about Rice?</p>
<p>I like to break down colleges by categories:</p>
<p>Academics:</p>
<pre><code> College Rankings - Home
</code></pre>
<p>College</a> Rankings - Home</p>
<p>Overall Average Ranking (w/other categories):</p>
<p>College</a> Rankings - Home</p>
<p>Harvard 98/100
Yale 84/100
Columbia 83/100
Stanford 83/100
MIT 83/100
Penn 82/100
Johns Hopkins 80/100
Duke 80/100
Princeton 77/100
Berkeley 77/100
Caltech 74/100
Cornell 73/100
Brown 59/100
Emory 52/100
Dartmouth 51/100
Rice 43/100</p>
<p>I added Rice and Emory. I should stress though it's not the most accurate methodology and there's an emphasis on scientific research. Some schools, like Princeton, might have just not performed as well as they usually do, in the year 2007, it's a ranking that would greatly fluctuate from year to year.
+ There will no doubt be many (top 25 USNews) schools below Rice, don't pay too close attention to the numbers.</p>
<p>"I know my classmates wouldn't like me to say this, but Harvard is better overall (remember, this is coming from a Berkeley student). The only universities in the entire world that really rival Harvard are Oxford, Cambridge, and (maybe) Yale. Other than those three, there aren't any other fair comparisons to Harvard."</p>
<p>I think that Oxford and Yale don't rival Harvard...maybe I feel this way because I place more emphasis on scientific research...who knows. Stanford and Cambridge seem like comparable schools to Harvard (though still a half-notch below).</p>
<p>CWalker, As much as I hate to admit it no university in the world rivals Harvard in terms of scientific research, I'd say the one that comes the closest is Columbia. In IF, Oxford and Cambridge place only in the 15-20th category internationally.</p>
<p>Columbia?</p>
<p>...</p>