<p>Ok I have no affiliation with Duke or interest in attending. Yet, you people continually deride anyone who says anything complimentary toward Duke and then in the height of hypocrisy make Berkeley out to be a top 5/10 undergrad university.
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Guys, if Duke is so great then why do you need to convince us?
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I could say the same about Berkeley?</p>
<p>Berkeley is a great school, but it is not nearly as good as Harvard or Duke. Is it comparable to JHU....maybe, but anywhere outside the west coast Berkeley is just considered a top state school.....not a top top university (like HYPSM or even the next tier).</p>
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I could say the same about Berkeley?</p>
<p>Berkeley is a great school, but it is not nearly as good as Harvard or Duke. Is it comparable to JHU....maybe, but anywhere outside the west coast Berkeley is just considered a top state school.....not a top top university (like HYPSM or even the next tier).
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<p>It's okay to say Duke is an awesome school and be proud of your school if you are a Duke alum. But if Duke students are really secure about their schools reputation as a top university, it's not necessary to parade these forums and say Duke is better than schools X, Y, and Z. It should just be obvious. Students from other elite schools don't go around doing this so there has to be something wrong with the select Duke students that do this. For instance, everyone knows Harvard is a great school, but do you see its alums parading these forums stating "Harvard is better than Berkeley in every conceivable measure of undergraduate quality?"</p>
<p>Berkeley students don't parade these forums and claim that their school is better than other people's schools. Duke students do, and Berkeley students are just defending their own school.</p>
<p>I have no affiliation with either school but I am sick and tired of Duke kids/alums going around and stating things like "Duke kills Berkeley in every conceivable measure of undergraduate quality." If you all really think your school is so great, its reputation should speak for itself. Otherwise, all I see is insecurity.</p>
Too bad I'm not talking about the USNews rankings. When did I ever say that? With regards to the proper measures of undergraduate quality, which I don't think USNews fully measures, there are 20 schools I can think of that are better than Berkeley. Once again you make invalid assumptions.</p>
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I don't give a crap about USNews and its latest rankings. From what I know of both schools, ND has the edge over Berkeley with regards to the quality of the undergraduate education.</p>
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No other school, including Stanford, has launched such a detailed and formal program for civic engagment. I only presented it because UCBChem said he needed proof that Duke does indeed have a focus in the service learning area. What's an EAD?</p>
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Here is the Duke syndrome again. Yet another Duke alum that needs to try to bolster the rep of his school by claiming it's better than it actually is and proceeding to belittle other schools to feel better about himself and his school. </p>
<p>Guys, if Duke is so great then why do you need to convince us? I don't see MIT alums parading around this forum stating "MIT is arguably a top five institution, whereas Caltech is a solid top 10 school, and Berkeley isn't even close. MIT is better than your school" or "MIT kills Berkeley in every conceivable measure of undergraduate quality."</p>
<p>Why? Because it is obviously understood that MIT is great. Duke on the other hand... I always see Duke alums playing up their school and putting down others. If you guys are secure about your school's status as an elite institution, and really think Duke is as great as you all make it out to be, putting down other schools is not necessary.
Haha the "Duke Syndrome"? What you have detailed is present at every non-HYP Ivy almost tenfold in comparison to other top schools like Duke and Stanford. I'm not "bolstering" the rep of my school. The undergraduate focus of schools like Duke, Northwestern, ND,etc. is greater than Berkeley's. I always thought this was universally acknowledged and not a statement of conflict. I'm not "putting down" any school. Berkeley's a fantastic school.</p>
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Yet, you people continually deride anyone who says anything complimentary toward Duke and then in the height of hypocrisy make Berkeley out to be a top 5/10 undergrad university.
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<p>The difference here, Bescraze, is: Berkeley and Harvard are the subject of this thread. Duke is not.</p>
<p>And I don't see anyone trying to claim that Berkeley is on par with HYPSM for undergrad... or other top-10 schools.</p>
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Berkeley is a great school, but it is not nearly as good as Harvard or Duke.
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<p>I can agree with that, for undergrad. At the same time, that statement seems to imply, Berkeley is mediocre for undergrad, which is untrue. For overall university strength, I wouldn't say Duke > Berkeley at all.</p>
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Too bad I'm not talking about the USNews rankings. When did I ever say that? With regards to the proper measures of undergraduate quality, which I don't think USNews fully measures, there are 20 schools I can think of that are better than Berkeley. Once again you make invalid assumptions.
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<p>Right--nice cover up.</p>
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<p>I daresay Stanford's is more established, elaborate, and significant, and will probably continue to be so. Stanford emphasizes service learning in all its descriptions of the education it gives. (In fact, Stanford requires its undergrads to take ethics courses, in following Leland Stanford's idea that undergrads should be trained to be helpful citizens--again alluding to service learning.)</p>
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Why don't you call out the Berkeley students in this discussion who have resorted to using sophomoric remarks to elevate Berkeley above other schools?
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<p>Berkeley students don't elevate their school over others, Duke students do.They are the ones defending their schools against Duke grads like you who try to put their schools down. When have you ever seen a Berkeley student parading these forums claiming Berkeley is better than another school in "every conceivable measure of undergraduate quality" like you and many other Duke students? Answer this please. Berkeley students don't parade these forums and claim that their school is better than other people's schools. Duke students do, and Berkeley students are just defending their own school.</p>
<p>I only see alums from Duke such as yourself saying things like "Duke is better than your school every conceivable measure of undergraduate quality." And this happens quite often on these boards.</p>
If you switch "undergraduate quality" with "graduate quality", then yes I seem to find Berkeley supporters proclaiming it all the time. You would think Berkeley was as good as Harvard by just glancing at these forums. I was just responding to butchokoy who thinks that UVa undergrad is on the same level as Duke undergrad and Cal is a notch above both. I was just trying to show how false he was. I don't see why you're arguing with me.</p>
<p>i'm starting to wonder if Bacchanalia is another one of the many anti-duke trolls that give all of you such a bad impressions of my school... some of the stuff he says is ridiculous</p>
<p>Duke and Berkeley are peers. Duke students want to think otherwise because they are spending up to 4 times more than the average Berk student, ofcourse they'll want to think that Duke is better. I am from FL and Duke is respected but so is Berkeley but also alot of ppl around where I am from think Duke is just a bunch of rich kids who payed their way into the school. Berkeley is also seen by alot as just a hippie school. Neither rep is really acurate. I will be the first to admit Berkeley is not on the level of HYSPM, in general public opinion in the US, but neither is Duke. Berkeley is making significant efforts to increase alumni participation and giving. Its a public school and does not have the tradition of giving...yet. This year the student call center surpassed last year's net total in donations by over 33%, and thats during a rough economic period. Also this year athletics raised over ten million.... less than five years ago it was only around 4 million. And isn't this thread about Harvard vs Berkeley. UG rep Harvard>>Berkeley Grad rep Harvard=Berkeley UG quality probably Harvard but I have talked to a couple grad students at Berk who did UG at Harvard and said it was unsupportive and cold.......jeez I wonder what they would think of Berkeley...and we don't complain.</p>
<p>I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I go to Cal and I know that we mostly have regional prestige. But it's interesting to see people trying to either justify or disprove it. What can I say... it's the off-season.</p>
<p>Basketball, hockey, lacrosse, baseball and football are the only sports that really matter for a college's reputation. Water Polo? Gymnastics? Come on.</p>
<p>For undergrad, Berkeley pails in comparison to HYPSM. But these are the only schools in the US that are better than Berkeley is. And again, that's only for undergrad. For professional schools, Berkeley is a solid top 5 in the US. In general, it is better than all the rest of the schools other then HYPSM. And for postgrad education, Berkeley is a solid top 4 in the US. Its postgrad schools, in general, are better than Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Michigan, Chicago, Northwestern and Duke.
It's spelled "pales" first of all. You don't think that besides HYPSM, there are any other schools that are better than Berkeley at the undergrad level? That's a pretty ridiculous assertion. Berkeley's not even ranked in the top 20 in USNews and trails in essentially every measure of undergraduate quality in comparison to the top 10 schools(HYPS, MIT, Penn, Duke, Caltech, Chicago and Columbia).</p>
<p>At the graduate level, people are only focusing on one area of study so I don't even see the point of considering "overall" graduate and professional strength. If Wisconsin is ranked higher than Berkeley in one thing and Berkeley is better than Wisco in every other area of study, then the person who is interested in that one thing should still go to Wisconsin. If I'm interested in attending law school, then why do I care what the top medical schools are or which universities are ranked higher in art history at the graduate level? People just focus on ONE THING after undergrad.</p>
<p>maybe not every measure of undergraduate quality... but berkeley is no where near a top 10 undergrad school... but a great grad school, no doubt</p>