Having a gay/lesbian roommate

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<p>I hope you can come to terms and overcome that harmful personal experience, no one deserves that. maybe if you do, you’ll have a different outlook. </p>

<p>When I said respect, I didn’t mean “respect homosexuality,” I meant “respect homosexuals.” LGBT are people, too. Would you avoid a sibling, or parent who was LGBT and was counting on you for support (rhetorical)? You’d have to suck it up and put them before yourself. You don’t have to accept what they do/don’t do, but you have to respect and love them.</p>

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<p>So you want your opinion on homosexuals respected, but you can’t bring yourself to respect them?</p>

<p>One of my best friends since I transferred to my college is gay. He’s one of the sweetest people I’ve ever met. I can’t imagine not having him as my friend because of something so minor.</p>

<p>I know a gay guy who once tried to be openly gay and lost a lot of friends over it. Now he keeps it a secret from his friends and most don’t know he’s gay. I wonder how many gay friends you have and just don’t know about it?</p>

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<p>I don’t see a problem with having a homosexual roommate. In fact it’s a positive for people who are not that social. From what I observed they are more outgoing then other people. And having a roommate might help people who are socially deprived.</p>

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<p>“Effeminate gays have an annoying attitude, though, so that could result in issues (being annoyed a lot).”</p>

<p>This is my roommate…</p>

<p>I don’t “mind” it (yes it can be very annoying sometimes), but we are just very different people. It is livable (since neither of us are really ever in the room together besides at night), but not the most enjoyable rooming situation. I don’t want to turn this into a roommate rant. I’ll just say no, that I don’t necessarily mind rooming with someone who is LGBT.</p>

<p>“In fact it’s a positive for people who are not that social.”
Eh, disagree.</p>

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<p>Okay, i kind of misread. I DO respect homosexuals in general (though I can’t bring myself to respect stereotypical ones). In the hypothetical situation that a loved one of mine became/was homosexual I honestly would probably sever ties with that person but continue to wish him/her the best from a distance. Again, my opinion is vindicated threefold by a past experience of mine with homosexuals, my upbringing, and my personal philosophy and beliefs about science.</p>

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<p>I hope no one ostracizes you like that for something you can’t control (who you are.)</p>

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<p>@PaulandArt – I came a bit late. That’s actually a very common thing amongst people who are anti-gay, that they think gay people will hit on them ceaselessly. Especially amongst the people who make it their profession like NOM, Dobson, Bryan Fischer, you’ll hear the “Gays will hit on you all the time and bisexuals have sex with everything that moves” line a lotttt.</p>

<p>@antipacifist – I find that really sad that if you had a friend/relative who was gay you would cut off all ties with them. I really can’t fathom doing that to someone I cared about. Maybe it’s because my Philosophy on life is a lot different, and because I study Psychology I’m aware of more of the realities surrounding LGBTs and not just the b.s. propaganda and false pseudo-science the “Family” groups spread around. I’m sorry for what happened to you, whatever may have happened to you, but the majority 99% of us are just like you… we just swing a different way.</p>

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<p>GAHHH Itachi you beat me to it. :p</p>

<p>Yes, unfortunately lots of people fear that a gay roommate will hit on them. Addressing that issue was not ignorant.</p>

<p>And I don’t understand how you could cut someone out of your life like that. You care about that family member your entire life, and suddenly the words “I’m gay” destroy your relationship with them? That’s absurd. I don’t know what happened to you, but you need to grow up, get over it, and stop hating an entire group of people for one person’s actions. Say, hypothetically, that you had a traumatic heterosexual encounter… Would you suddenly hate all 3 billion women on Earth because of something 1 person did? probably not.</p>

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<p>@ antipacifist: I’m not attacking you - merely curious, to be honest - but do you feel the same way about bisexuals?</p>

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<p>Yep, and actually my feelings are even stronger towards bisexuals, at least in a philosophical sense. And as my grandpa used to say, bisexuality is “just the one-mile marker on the road to gay.” Haha. (not to offend anyone, I thought it was funny and perhaps it’s not quite true)</p>

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<p>Yep, good luck in life buddy. I’ll be praying for you.</p>

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<p>Why the sarcasm/rudeness? I’m backing out of this thread now because i feel like I’ve stepped on some toes and I truly didn’t mean to. It’s just that this subject often gets me a bit emotional.</p>

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<p>I was playing around, I apologize for that. But if you think you can go though life trying to avoid gay and lesbian people, you can’t. Please don’t judge one experience on every gay/ lesbian/ bi person in the world because it’s going to make life much harder.</p>

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<p>You keep saying “in a philosophical sense” I’m interested in hearing what your philosophy is exactly. I have a feeling, but I wanna hear it from you.</p>

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<p>You’re sure you want to hear it? All right, then … </p>

<p>Well, in my view homosexuality is just a form of hedonism… pleasure, pleasure, pleasure, with no regard of the fact that the human race (obviously) relies on heterosexuals to reproduce. Gays, especially activists, don’t care about “rights,” they care about pleasure. Further: natural rights, as such, are derived from nature (and homosexuality is artificial in this sense, it is not natural). I don’t have the “right” to marry someone of the same sex any more than I have the right to mate with an animal (I’m not comparing homosexuality to bestiality here, just citing something else that isn’t natural) or create a clone of myself, or rearrange my DNA so that I have X-ray vision. </p>

<p>In my opinion, which, again, is admittedly biased because of my past, the gay rights movement is just an extravagant parade of people trying to change society so that it’s more enjoyable for “me, me, me.” As you probably have guessed, I don’t believe it’s natural, but that it’s a product of nurture and of personal choice. That said, I DON’T support gay-bashing or gay-bullying. I just think that society would be better off if gays kept to themselves, and if parents would raise their men to be masculine and women to be feminine - and btw, before I get attacked, this is coming from a non-Christian conservative. </p>

<p>I will never be able to accept homosexuals or their lifestyle. I apologize, again, if I have offended anyone.</p>

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<p>“Well, in my view homosexuality is just a form of hedonism… pleasure, pleasure, pleasure, with no regard of the fact that the human race (obviously) relies on heterosexuals to reproduce.”</p>

<p>Which is why they are other ways of having a kid other than reproducing. Homosexual couple adopt kids and go on to raise them to be hardworking functioning members of society.</p>

<p>" the gay rights movement is just an extravagant parade of people trying to change society so that it’s more enjoyable for me, me, me."</p>

<p>Isn’t that the point of any movement for rights?</p>

<p>“As you probably have guessed, I don’t believe it’s natural, but that it’s a product of nurture and of personal choice.”</p>

<p>This is wrong. Nobody says tomorrow I’m going to start being gay.</p>

<p>“parents would raise their men to bemasculine and women to be feminine”</p>

<p>This doesn’t change anything. Not every gay man is feminine and not every lesbian woman is a tomboy. There are masculine men who are gay and feminine females who are lesbian.</p>

<p>I’m not trying to attack you or anything but I hope you find it in some way to change your views of homosexuals down the line.</p>

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<p>Would you be willing to listen to an alternate theory?</p>

<p>While the human race requires heterosexuals to reproduce, scientifically that doesn’t preclude LGBTs from not having a purpose in that schema. One of the theories is that maybe LGBT exists in nature as a failsafe if a natural disaster wipes out millions of parents, you have LGBTs as aunts, uncles, etc, who have these instincts in them to take care of the kids. Already you could see the benefit of LGBTs adopting and easing the burden of the foster care system while giving kids who in spite of what you hear from the Dobsons and the Fischers, just want loving parents and don’t care what their gender is). </p>

<p>I really have to object to us not caring about rights, this is all about rights. When the time comes that I find the right guy to make me whole, I want to be able to marry him and validate that bond in front of family, friends, and through the laws of the state so that I can recieve the same benefits I would get if I married a woman whom I wouldn’t be sexually attracted to whatsoever. </p>

<p>The problem with Natural Law arguments is that they ignore nature when it comes to homosexuality to make their argument. I could point you to at least 30 animal species who practice homosexuality. Animals = part of nature. Homosexual animals are therefore part of nature. QED: homosexuality is part of nature. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen my male cats hump each other, that’s just domesticated cat, there are many, many more. The courts have claimed now that marriage is a fundamental right, for everybody. The reason beastiality is different from homosexuality? Consent. Animals cannot give consent. Other humans, of LEGAL AGE, can. </p>

<p>Really, LGBTs just want the same rights and privilages most people take for granted. You don’t approve of gay-bashing or gay-bullying then you must know of the kinds of things people do to LGBTs, legally. With regards to housing, and jobs. They haven’t had those protections, they’ve had to fight tooth and nail for the right to just live. </p>

<p>You say you think society would be better if LGBTs “Kept to themselves” well to be honest? That’s exactly what we want. We want the right to live our lives. The problem is that a bunch of people aren’t comfortable with live and let live, they have to get involved and take our rights away from us. They have to try to make us “disappear” because God forbid we should look “normal” to people, we’re just scary evil awful people, clearly. We’re no more in your face than the African Americans were, and look, even they got called “uppity” for wanting equal rights. We’re not past that yet as a society.</p>

<p>Your comment about men being more masculine and women being more feminine, I’m sorry, but it ignores fundamental truths about sexuality. It’s not really the parents who are responsible. There are masculine gay guys and feminine lesibians. It’s not about masculinity/femininity, that’s a false dichotomy hoisted by the Fischer types. I’ll level with you a little: in Psychology it’s already been determined a long time ago that it wasn’t a choice, but it’s also been seen that it isn’t fully 100% a product of nature either. The consensus as I’ve seen it, seems to be that homosexuality has a genetic basis that is then reinforced by nurturing through cues too slight to fully understand. The genetic basis is EXTREMELY prevelant but it’s not the only factor at work. For ANYBODY’s sexuality. </p>

<p>I have a lot more, I’ve studied this pretty thoroughly and know quite a bit. You say LGBTs are all about “me me me me” but the funny thing is that’s the same charge I’d levy on the anti-equality folks like the National Organization For Marriage, their arguments are selfish and self-serving. </p>

<p>I’ll close with a question I want you to really think about. You say homosexuality is a choice right? Think back to when you were younger, when did you first decide to be straight? Please think about that and come back to me with an honest answer.</p>

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I agree that that in itself is not a realistic scenario, and I think nurture plays more of a factor than choice. On the grounds that it’s not natural, though, I believe that homosexuals can and should undergo therapy and other methods (not because they’re “mentally ill” per se but because that’s the only way they can unearth their repressed issues that caused them to become gay in the first place). </p>

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But gender-switching is at the heart of homosexuality. Men have sex with women, and women have sex with men. Men who have sex with men are therefore more feminine than straight men. </p>

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Good argument, but I’d argue that, for example, the civil rights movement was about something that, again, can’t be changed - homosexuality can be changed. The gay rights movement is about the most primitive form of pleasure, the most primitive human desire - sexual stimulation. The civil rights movement or the women’s suffrage movement - both of which were flawed in their execution (particularly in their spawning of the modern feminist movement and the creation of unfavorable institutions such as affirmative action) but at their core right - were about creating a more equal society that doesn’t judge on the basis of skin color or biological sex. </p>

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And as you might predict I’d say, I think gay parents are more likely to raise a gay kid. </p>

<p>of course, neither of us is going to change the other’s opinion, because we disagree on the fundamental question - whether or not homosexuality is a choice, which I emphatically believe it to be.</p>

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<p>^you’re my new favorite. Lol</p>

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<p>That was to itachi, :p</p>