High School Freshman placed in an unnecessary, but critical doubt

Hi, you’re probably already aggravated by this… abnormally large cluster of text, but I just feel like I have to put it out somewhere. Something similar like this was posted somewhere else, but that was to a specific individual.

I’m your typical acne-ridden, very Asian, Northern Virginia residing Freshman!

Another one in thousands of “arguments”, or most known as lectures were happening between me and my mother. A month ago, I asked her if she would be against the possibility of Law School, in which she replied to say yes. Today, I had learned that I would only be allowed (although technically, at that time, I would not be a minor) to go to Law School on ONE condition, which was to graduate from Harvard’s Law School. Now, if that discussion would happen a few months earlier, I would unknowingly comply, considering I knew barely anything of Law School, especially that it was not an undergraduate school. This, still does not say that I know alot about Law School, even to a smaller percentage, considering I haven’t even graduated High School. But with all that being said, I would only hope to assume that the conditional statement was only triggered under anger, thus being exaggerated. But this still worries me considering the colossal amount of costs and student debt any college would cost, especially law school, in which the authority to pay all of this traces back to my parents and grandparents, which as said above, would only pay for college if I majored in computer science.

Now, I acknowledge that my parents are just worried about my future and salary and is “advising” me in this manner for my own good, but coming from a generation and a very specific geographical location where everything is way too competitive compared to the rest of the world. The unimaginably expensive housing costs of Northern Virginia, the Ivy League hungry 1600/2400 Korean community and it’s expectations, and the urging to teenagers like me to lead a successful life, is unfortunately, seeping in inevitable and genuinely frightening pressure.

I would not describe my mother as malign, as I do not see any evil intention. No sane parent would never want to stress their child to the brink of insanity, but at certain times when things are at an all time rock bottom low, it feels like life and the future is just a dark blur. The Nacarat Jester from Boris’ animation best describes my situation as,
“I just feel like we’re living in a society that’s constantly telling us to pursue our passion, if you don’t live your life to it’s fullest, you’re squandering it, which makes sense to me but… then you go out to pursue those passions and stuff like the economy and other forces outside of your control control constantly beat you back down so you ultimately have to live your life choosing between choosing making ends meet or self realization and so you’re in this place where you’re in this constant existential purgatory where you can’t win.”

In addition to this melancholy mess, my mother’s slowly and steadily growing pressure to stop me from pursuing political science and to make me major in Computer Science is frightening, I predict that during my junior/senior year, I will probably have no choice but to comply with what my parents say, because they’re the ones with college money.
But one might argue to go to community college, but I wouldn’t be able to live with the shame that I went to a community college. In certain worst case scenarios like these, my mother said that it would be a 100% chance that she would die from shock if she learned I wasn’t up to her college expectations, and I take that as genuine, considering the past things she’s done and her capabilities of staying true to her word.

As dark as this all sounds, to me, life right now is just a black-and-white monochrome setting where one studies, works, and dies. I’m not implying that I’m suicidal nor am I suicidal (please don’t report this if this topic is not allowed here, I’m just trying to express this), I’m just confused and want to find my own identity, and purpose in life.

With all this being said, I question myself. How can I do and question all this, but I’m just a meekly freshman in high school? Just like all other users above me generously assured me, I still have an unprecedented amount of opportunities and time to change my life around, which I do. But the anti-handicapping lifestyle and expectations hold my future hostage. The beginning of Chapter 4 from The Professor best describes this situation:

“No man likes to acknowledge that he has made a mistake in the choice of his profession, and every man, worthy of the name, will row long against wind and tide before he allows himself to cry out, “I am baffled!” and submits to be floated passively back to land. From the first week of my residence in X—— I felt my occupation irksome. The thing itself—the work of copying and translating business-letters—was a dry and tedious task enough, but had that been all, I should long have borne with the nuisance; I am not of an impatient nature, and influenced by the double desire of getting my living and justifying to myself and others the resolution I had taken to become a tradesman, I should have endured in silence the rust and cramp of my best faculties; I should not have whispered, even inwardly, that I longed for liberty; I should have pent in every sigh by which my heart might have ventured to intimate its distress under the closeness, smoke, monotony and joyless tumult of Bigben Close, and its panting desire for freer and fresher scenes; I should have set up the image of Duty, the fetish of Perseverance, in my small bedroom at Mrs. King’s lodgings, and they two should have been my household gods, from which my darling, my cherished-in-secret, Imagination, the tender and the mighty, should never, either by softness or strength, have severed me. But this was not all; the antipathy which had sprung up between myself and my employer striking deeper root and spreading denser shade daily, excluded me from every glimpse of the sunshine of life; and I began to feel like a plant growing in humid darkness out of the slimy walls of a well.”

The United States of America was powered by “The American Dream”, which triggered an influx of immigrants, including my parents. While the dream proved to be right, as my father has a well over self sustaining and stable income, I sometimes doubt my American Dream, considering the circumstances above. Several moderators, veteran members, and parents give the harsh, but true reality to several chance me ivy league hoping individuals. The process isn’t that easy, but this shouldn’t extinguish a dream.

Since I’m on the topic of dreams, my dream school sporadically and constantly changes, UPenn to Princeton, to Georgetown, to UVA, and currently Dartmouth. Dartmouth is known only stereotypical as a conservative college. But since it is located in a rural area, it gives me a place to escape. Ever since August, I’ve decided when I’m going to college, I don’t ever want to see anybody from my middle/high school ever again, I want to escape the harshness of the bustling Northern Virginia, and find myself and peace within Dartmouth. But this, is most likely a 2 month temporary dream, sure, things would change, but yea. As mentioned above in the first paragraph, Harvard Law School would be the only law school I can ever get to, in financial terms, but I really want to go to UVA Law School. Employment rates and average salaries do not matter to my mother. To me, it seems like her pride sometimes, but very rarely blinds her from reality. If the name is good, then employment must be easy, is her mindset. I want to find a gem while considering the economic aspect, sure one needs to be employed and have a great income for them to follow their dreams, but only following dreams while being constantly broke also gets you nowhere. So with that being said, I think it’s important to accurately gauge reality and dreams.

On the topic of college funding, I come from a privileged upper-class (but not like, millionare upperclass) family. I’m not grateful enough to be how privileged I am and certainly, am very thankfully, better off than the lower class “struggling to pay for college” family, in which I give my condolences. With that being said, being in the upper-class have it’s flaws (wow, that sounds really cocky, I truly do not mean to say it in a pitiful manner).
My family come from a politically and economically elite Korean family, going to the top universities, with one close family member holding the office of the 2nd President of Korea (which is arguably the least hated President, but got coup’d anyways rip). With that being said the expectation of me attending some top-notch ivy league school is highly expected of me. In addition to that, I’m the last male of my family, so the future of the family name belongs to my future. As primitive as it sounds, it’s a pretty big deal to me and my family.

With all that being said, my family now has a justifiable reason to urge me to major in medicine, or even better, Computer Science. All those inspirational TV shows where they tell you to pursue your passion, which is true for the most part. Doing a job in which one hates for the rest of their lives is truly unfortunate. But a dream, as mentioned above, must have a sustainable income. I do not hate, Computer Science, but do not have a passion for it. Political Science, then to Law, then to a Law firm and to work in the environment of an Office, similar to the setting of The Office, but without humor is what I want to do for a living. Sounds boring, but it truly appeals to me.

You are being programmed to enter the college admissions rat race. It’s going to get worse unless you take steps to mitigate the pressure. It’s good that you see it now. Here’s what I would recommend.

  1. Don’t have a dream school, have a dream life. There are many paths to a dream life. This gets the college admissions monkey off of your back. All of the pressures being put on you are not doing you any good. Be who you want to be.
  2. Resist all and any attempts to talk about college or your future with anybody except your guidance counselor. Don’t discuss it with your parents. Diffuse and deflect the conversation from the future to the present. The future will happen. The future is uncertain. The best way to attain a good future is to attain a good present. Do your best today. It is good enough by definition. Tomorrow do the same.
  3. Find genuine interests. It sounds like you have some. Engage in them. Don’t do EC’s for college, do EC’s because that’s how you want to spend your time. How it looks for your future should not be a consideration. Remember, you are attaining a good present.
  4. Figure out how to be happy. If you can’t learn to be happy when you are young, when exactly do you expect to learn how to be happy.
  5. Get 8 hours of sleep per night even if it means you can’t take the most rigorous course load. Your developing brain needs that sleep to function properly. Sacrificing sleep damages your cognitive function and makes it more difficult to learn. As a result assignments take longer potentially leading to more loss of sleep. As a result assignments take even longer, etc, etc. It’s a vicious cycle that doesn’t end well. Prioritize your sleep.
  6. Enjoy learning for it’s own sake. Engage with the material. Care about the learning not the grade. You will do the best you can and the grades will be what they will be, but if you let yourself, you can get a great education and learn how to learn. Once you’ve learned how to learn, you can teach yourself anything. It’s very satisfying.
  7. Value relationships with people, your friends, etc. Flirt! Make sure there is joy in your life every day.
  8. Don’t beat yourself up. Your parents might harp on you, but maintain your self-esteem and find a balance in life.

Your mom has trained you to think she has all the power…but you have power too.

What does she want? For you to do well in college and get a good job. Also probably she wants to brag about you and your accomplishments.

She is pushing CS because you can get a well defined job from that.
She is pushing Harvard Law because there is some point that you greatly increase your chances of a law job from a 10 ten law school.

But you are a freshman…who knows if you will still want to go to law school by then. Why not agree with her now that Harvard is definitely on your list. there is absolutely no point in arguing about law school as a HS freshman.

So hear is my suggestion: Stop talking about college. Stop talking about law school.
Take a variety of HS classes that would prepare you for Poli Sci in college and STEM.
Make sure to take APUSH and AP World History but also at least one AP science and AP Calculus.
Maybe even take AP CS to see what you think about that.
If she pushes anything, just say “Thanks for the advice. I will look into that.”

When you get to picking colleges, visit different ones. But spend more time looking at match and safety schools. Even if you have the grades/SAT scores, it is still a lottery to get into top schools.

When you decide what to major in, choose what YOU want to do. If you are as smart as she thinks you are, then you will excel at whatever you do.

So if she pushes you, then you just sigh, and say “Well, if it is CS or no college, I guess I can start at the community college so I can see if I can even do well in those classes before you pay the big bucks.”

or “No, I am going to major in Poli Sci. I think it might be good to take a couple of CS Data analysis classes because there is so much data analysis needed in elections.”
or
“No, I am going to major in Poli Sci. Let me know now if I have to fund it myself. I know the CC is free in our state if you are in the top 15% /I can go to University of Alabama on a full tuition scholarshop.”

FWIW–I enjoyed your writing style although it could use more than a bit of editing.
“Brevity is the soul of wit.” and all that. But an entertaining read.
Edit the parts of quotes you use–I don’t need to read the book to get the gist of your point.

Advice:
Work on going to UVA law and “live long and prosper”.
You can major in anything before getting into law school so you can have lots of debate with mom still about what that may be. Think of it as “lawyer in training”.

Having an undergraduate degree in a field other than political science (the most common path I’ve seen) prior law school gives you a distinct advantage when it comes to the labor market. You could essentially be someone with dual degrees which give you an unique niche. Business, finance, medicine are all good. Political Science does give you a good chance to hone writing skills.

Your mom doesn’t get to tell you what law school to go to, especially if you work for a while first before going to law school. Freshmen year of HS is too early for you to have decided on a major. Note that you can still be engaged in public affairs and take a few poli sci courses if you aren’t a poli sci major.

I agree with both ClassicRockerDad and Bopper, even though it sounds a little as if they are coming at different angels.

@Bohseon, I normally think that people should be direct, honest and transparent. I don’t like the idea of hiding oneself. However, there are some situations where deflecting (as Bopper describes) is necessary for your own health and sanity and I believe this is one of them. The pressure you are under is immense, and you are too young and too powerless at THIS stage in your life to get anywhere with regards to changing your parent’s minds. However, you won’t be a young adolescent forever, and you will have opportunities to make a good future for yourself on your own terms later (even though I do realize that the cultural pressure to make your parents proud in very specific ways may always be a difficult dilemma for you.) This is not the time to take action in this way, be too direct with your mom about your intentions or to argue with her. Continue to explore your own interests and dreams independently but don’t pointlessly squander your energy and ruin your relationship with your mom. As @Bopper said, agree with your mom cheerfully when she talks about Harvard…don’t promise her you will get in (it’s highly unlikely for anyone) but smile and say "it would be amazing to get accepted into Harvard. " Feel free, however, to educate her with the facts of how few people with perfect scores actually get into Ivy schools, and that there are many elite schools here. But don’t hurt yourself arguing. So much can change in the next few years in terms of your own preferences.

I don’t know what your grade potential is, but I would imagine your stats will be reasonably high. Just keep in mind (to lower yor anxiety a bit) that there are a few universities that will pay all or most of the costs of an undergraduate degree if you GPA/test scores are high enough. These are not the super-elite schools your parents want you to attend(One, for example, is University of Alabama, I think university of New Mexico may be another) but it’s still possible to get a fine education at any of them if you cultivate relationships with professors who will in invest time in you, and then you can make your way to Law school or other graduate school (or job of your choice.) So, when the time comes, if you find that you absolutely must part ways with your parents dreams for you, and they are unwilling to support you, there are ways (other than community college) to strike out on your own, as painful as it may be.

Also, know that it is possible to go on to law school (or other graduate programs) with almost any undergraduate degree, as long as you do well and prove yourself capable. So, even if you decide you must give in to parental pressure while you are young, whether for financial or emotional/cultural reasons, and major in CS or something pre-med, you can still go to law school later as a young ADULT if you decide to. In your twenties, no one can really make you do anything (as long as it’s legal, lol.) The undergraduate degree in the US does not necessarily determine your whole career as it typically does in many other countries. You will also be given a certain amount of undergraduate elective course time to choose at least a few things you like (such as poli-sci) no matter what you major in, that can help you decide on a future direction.

Many people do fund graduate school without parental help (though it’s not always easy) through loans, part-time work or part-time study, on-campus teaching positions, etc. You may have some difficult years ahead of you to eventually differentiate yourself from your parents dreams for you, but your life doesn’t have to be endless doom either. Embrace hope and the determination that when the time comes, you will see yourself through. Hopefully, your parents will eventually be proud of what you become, but you can make sure that YOU make yourself proud, and happy too.

And finally, work hard, yes, but try to enjoy high school and your young life! You’re taking on a lot of mental burdens at a very young age! It’s OK to be a kid :slight_smile:

You are quite a distance away from college and post graduate studies. Meddling family memebers can make for great stress. You can change majors once at college. Parents cannot see academic records in college and freshman year is mostly general classes. There are people sometimes that will never listen and its their way or the highway. Logic and discussion does not work. My advice is do ignore it for now. And as far as law school goes you can make that decision without your parents down the road. When you reach the time to apply to college you can battle it out or switch after acceptance.

Engaging read. I do applaud your use of the comma, but you’d benefit from an editor nonetheless.

That being said, your mom would rather you do computer science at an Ivy versus paying for Stanford Law or Yale Law in the long-run? I wouldn’t put any merit in her judgment based on that alone. Jokes aside, everyone above already gave great advice.

^^Yeah, ivys arent really known (maybe except Cornell? Idk) for their engineering and computer science.

One possibility is to double-major in CS or physics/chemistry and political science if you want to, then go into patent law.
You may also try to get a counselor or other sympathetic adult to talk to your mom, she might be more inclined to listen to them. If this doesn’t work, you still have plenty of time before actually applying to college, try to relax and just be a good student. You may well discover that your dream career will change over the years.