High School Honors Science Program at Michigan State ( HSHSP )

<p>Didn’t apply, but what’s the acceptance rate for the program?</p>

<p>I believe 26 out of like 300-400 people? </p>

<p>@Lacrossegirl123, unfortunately that’s not me… Someone made that account.</p>

<p>when do decisions come out? I need to reply to Garcia MRSEC by the 22nd…will they be out?</p>

<p>do you guys know if they just email you the results? that’s kind of scary tho</p>

<p>Last year, all decisions were sent by email. They’ll probably do the same thing this year.</p>

<p>when do they usually notify rejection? i want to know if i need a backup plan</p>

<p>same here: got accepted by another program, but still interested in HSHSP…not sure when the decision will be out. Sigh</p>

<p>should i send an update for usnco semifinalist?</p>

<p>I was notified last year mid-April, so hopefully your decision will come within the next week or so.</p>

<p>@ownzandy: I’m wondering the same thing.</p>

<p>Accepted to SSP, but still debating about waiting for my HSHSP decision. Thoughts?</p>

<p>msav, it comes down to whether you prefer a research program or a physics/astro program. Also, if you just like physics more in general, HSHSP has far fewer physics projects than bio/chem, so you’d be better off going to SSP.</p>

<p>I didn’t see the deadline in the email… I’m assuming they’ll put the deadline in the enrollment papers.</p>

<p>@StudiousMaximus–I actually like chemistry the most right now, but am interested in exploring all science to find out what I want to do in college.</p>

<p>@laxgirl: What are you talking about? While you may briefly be exposed to many areas of science during the end-of-program presentations, the majority of your summer at HSHSP will consist of your studying a very specific aspect of science (such as a certain protein or plant). At SSP, one would learn in-depth physics, astronomy, and math. Feel free to advocate for HSHSP, but don’t spout falsehoods for no reason.</p>

<p>@msav: Are you required to commit to SSP before HSHSP decisions come out? If so, you should definitely take SSP, as HSHSP is also really selective, and there’s no guarantee you’ll be admitted. If not, I don’t see why you’d withdraw from HSHSP unless you really felt strongly about going to SSP.</p>

<p>Laxie, that’s just how I deal with trolls.</p>

<p>Okay guys here’s the SSP VS HSHSP decision.</p>

<p>For example, StressedAsian went to HSHSP and got into MIT. There is absolutely no cause and effect in getting into MIT just because SSP is affiliated with MIT/Caltech. For those who got into SSP, ask Bowdon about when you have to get back with SSP with decisions. </p>

<p>TLTR:
1.accepted to SSP & Don’t care about research (or STS/SIEMENS) take it
2.Want to do research for your whole life , wait for HSHSP</p>

<p>Another comparison is that HSHSP’s tuition is a bit lower (I believe without F&A) and more research oriented. </p>

<p>While SSP is more lecture based, astrophysics and observation (with some Python programming emphasis)</p>

<p>HSHSP is basically the RSI of Michigan for those of you that don’t know.</p>

<p>& Clearly laxgirl probably got rejected to SSP haha… I did too so it’s chill, BU Rise is a great opportunity too. I went to BU couple years ago for campus visit</p>

<p>I don’t see a strong linear regression between the two of us. Sorry girl</p>

<p>@StuMax–I’ll try to wait until I get my HSHSP decision, but I’m thinking SSP is a better fit for me, based on what people have been saying. I don’t know a lot of physics, astronomy, or programming, and SSP would give me the chance to explore all three.</p>

<p>@Alpha2014–Thanks for the info on the differences; I like lectures and want to learn Python, so maybe SSP is a better fit.</p>

<p>SSP:
-Astrophysics
-Physics
-Python
-Trips to Caltech (CA campus)
-Clearly says not to bring other work
-College-lecture based setting (I believe)
-Group homework assignments
-etc.</p>

<p>HSHSP:

  • Research for weeks
  • Work in labs
  • Chill with people in the dorms
  • award opportunities (SIEMENS/STS)
  • Paper write-up and poster</p>

<p>Send a USNCO update. That would be a good idea.</p>

<p>As for the SSP vs. HSHSP decision, I only know one person who had the privilege of making that decision, and she came to HSHSP (but then again, anybody I know who made the decision the other way I might not know; although I feel like one of my friends who attended SSP would have goaded me about it so I’d say it’s 50/50 that somebody rejected HSHSP for SSP); furthermore, one of our HSHSP kids had attended SSP the summer before. Don’t assume in any way that HSHSP is less prestigious than SSP just because MIT helps sponsor it.</p>

<p>Furthermore, when it comes to college admissions, I don’t really see a tangible difference, to be totally honest. As did VERY well on college admissions this round; out of the 26 of us, I’d say we pulled at least 30-40 HYPSCM admissions, and this is including a number of us who were accepted EA and consequently didn’t apply anywhere else (for instance, because I made Stanford REA, I only also did MIT and neglected Harvard, Princeton, and Yale). Of course, there are a good number of cross admits, but I’d say well over half of us will be going to one of HYPSCM. If anything, HSHSP might even be a touch MORE advantageous in college admissions, although that is certainly skewed by a number of factors: we have a smaller sample size and the research projects lend themselves to Siemens and Intel for applications as well. Furthermore, correlation doesn’t imply causation; I think college admissions should be a nonfactor when picking a camp (and honestly, if you’re picking to do one of these for college reasons…well you’re not really doing it right. Summer camp is one of the funnest things you will do in high school; stop worrying about padding your resumes once in a while)</p>

<p>On more specific differences, Alpha covered most of them… it’s really worth noting though that I think SSP is much more work and a good place to test your limits. I hear that you average 4-5 hours of sleep a night, whereas at HSHSP it’s going to be about what you make of it. You can theoretically sleep 9 hours a night depending on your lab (in fact, some days I didn’t even have lab, or I had it at like 11 am or 2 pm, but I also had the most laidback lab at camp…), but you can also stay up until 4 working on papers or talking with your roommate or even yes, sneaking out. (I REALLY hope Dr. Richmond doesn’t see this LOL) Over the entire last week I slept about 20 hours in 7 days (including 2 all nighters at the end for fun) and yes, even overslept presentations one morning. A lot of that was due to sneaking out, a lot of it was due to working on papers (I never worked on papers before curfew; I preferred to go out with the AMAZING people there) Point is, I think you get more freedom at HSHSP because you have less work IMPOSED on you and you also get to direct your own project, to an extent, whereas at SSP you have a curriculum and assignments and a rather rigid schedule. </p>

<p>And of course, there’s the obvious difference between an independent research project and a curriculum, which is what accounts for the difference I just mentioned.</p>