<p>PSAT should do. </p>
<p>However, I highly doubt test scores are that heavily weighted, as some accepted students last year were definitely under 2300. If someone’s essays are bad, test scores would really do nothing. It’s the entire package I guess. Anyway, your daughter’s success just goes to show that summer programs aren’t as important as they would seem. Congrats!</p>
<p>It seems to me that the message here is not what Michdad is saying (“don’t bother to apply”). That sounds like sour grapes on his part because his daughter did not get in. The messages I would take away are:</p>
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<li><p>Don’t apply to just one program. Just like applying to college – apply to some “reaches” where admission is selective AND some programs that are easier to get into. Also, find some with later application/response times so you can do “rolling applications” just like some of them do “rolling acceptances”</p></li>
<li><p>He is right that it does not end your chances to get into a good college if you don’t get into a prestigous summer program. But it is good to have a backup plan for something productive to do with your summer if you don’t get one of the programs you want.</p></li>
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<p>Good luck to everyone who applied if you haven’t heard back yet!</p>
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<p>Did they go right out and tell you that? If not, you’re assuming–and we all know what that means, right (ass-u-me)? There is no chance whatsoever of getting in without applying. So if you don’t want to get accepted, don’t apply. If you want a chance, apply. Scores are irrelevant here.</p>
<p>intparent, yes, there are other lessons here, lessons with which I fully agree and which I support. But the one lesson I hope everyone learns is what I wrote above: you have zero chance if you don’t apply, and more than zero chance if you do apply. To not apply to a summer program simply because one’s test scores were unimpressive is, frankly, silly–remember that a) your SAT score shows how well you can take the SAT, not how smart you are; and b) just like colleges, you get accepted if they want someone like you in the program, not your test scores.</p>
<p>Why I No Hear Back?
Anyone else Hear Back?
This means rejection right?</p>
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<p>Hey guys, don’t worry about not hearing back. Oftentimes, no news is good news. Also, I have a piece of advice for everyone who gets denied from HSHSP: Don’t take rejections to heart; sometimes, rejections will open new doors for you. Last summer, I was rejected everywhere except for one place, and that left me no choice but to go to where I got accepted, by default. The research experience I got there ended up being significantly better than I ever imagined, and I got so much out of it that it helped me tremendously in terms of this summer. I got accepted everywhere I applied to (still waiting back on HSHSP, although I’ve already committed to SIMR)</p>
<p>to people who haven’t heard back yet: Dr. Richmond is waiting on all the accepted people to commit, which is by April 22nd. After that date, some of the alternates will be notified…and I’m guessing that if you haven’t heard back you’re waitlisted. I know at least three people who are not going, myself included, so hopefully some of you will hear back! Good luck :)</p>
<p>OK, let me correct my words;
Scores are very important for HSHSP unless you have a research experience or you are a science competition winner.
You cannot deny the truth.</p>
<p>Following is her profile for rejection:
GPA: 4.0 UW with many APs & Honors
Recommendation: Very strong (I saw the copies given to her). And I dont think the teachers lied to her as they were also recommenders for college applications.
Essays: She did her best, but there is no objective evaluation for this.
SAT (1st): 2200 = M 800 + CR 680 + W 720
Research experience: No. She attended a less prestigious summer program, MMSS (University of Michigan Math & Science Scholar) Program in her second summer.
Science competition winner: No. She was one of MMPC (Michigan Mathematics & Prize Competition) Top 200 Score Winners. MMPC cannot be compared with Intel and Siemens Science competitions.</p>
<p>People with low scores and no research experience can still apply for HSHSP if it is no problem to waste time. Simply passion does not work.</p>
<p>My daughter did computer programming for medical equipment during her third summer.
Its not biology/chemistry style research, but required medical knowledge.
She used this for her college application.</p>
<p>to be honest Michigan dad… i dont know why you are on this site right now. you’re extremely pessimistic and really have no idea why your daughter was not accepted. please stop posting depressing posts. you are not giving any good advice… so stop.</p>
<p>Agreed, you really have no idea why she was rejected. Certainly this is not an easy program to get accepted to, and no one should take acceptance for granted. It is useful to see her stats, but someone else with a different mix of stats/geography/essay content/racial background/etc. still could get in. Chaseholl is right, apply if you are interested, but obviously have some backup plans.</p>
<p>Her test scores may very well be the explanation for her rejection, but to say it is so confidently is evidently a non-sequitur fallacy that diminishes the validity of your claim. I’m sure that people whose scores were below 2200 have gotten in. </p>
<p>If I wanted, I could say the same thing about SSP. My scores were “low” but my friend who got a 2400 got in even though he had taken 1 bs AP science and no honors and I had taken 3. The truth is, though, I put biology as an interest for this physics/astronomy camp. It’s not that I wasn’t qualified, it’s that I wasn’t a fit. But it’s so easy to gravitate to the scores as a rigid explanation. </p>
<p>Anyway, does anybody know how much free time there is at HSHSP? Any useful information about the program besides what’s already been said?</p>
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<p>Once again: did they say outright that she was rejected due solely because of test scores? If not, there simply is no “truth”. If I wasn’t clear before: to assume means to make an ass out of **u<a href=“and%20%5Bb%5Dme%5B/b%5D,%20if%20I%20accept%20your%20assumption”>/b</a>.</p>
<p>I’m sorry MichiganDad, but if you don’t provide anything other than circumstantial evidence, there clearly exists still reasonable doubt of your claims, and labeling them as “truth” is extremely misleading. I suggest you refrain from making any further allegations unless you provide solid proof of their factual accuracy.</p>
<p>I think this was answered before, but if we’ve heard nothing from HSHSP so far, we should be assume that we were waitlisted and expect a full decision by April 22?</p>
<p>Mhm.</p>
<p>10char</p>
<p>it seems like everyone is wait listed lols</p>
<p>does anyone know how many alternates there are? letters came today. you can guess what letter i got sent :P</p>
<p>I didn’t get the [any] letter today. Maybe expect one tomorrow? And to firefirefire, yes, I think that many people would be on the waitlist. Perhaps (roughly estimated) 10-20 people. Well, that can be interpreted both good and bad for all of us…</p>
<p>letters… as in through the mail… or do they tell you through email??</p>
<p>i dont know if any alumns posted, but i was an alum last year :). several of us won intel/siemens. i got published (really really lucky). and we’re all headed to great places! and I really do think that the essays matter.</p>
<p>anyone new hear any acceptance news???..im sooo nervous and really it seems like everyone is waitlisted…</p>
<p>I really do think the essays matter, because they show who you are and your potential to succeed in the program. I personally thought my essays for this program were much better than those for other programs to which I applied, which is in line with the decisions I received. </p>
<p>As for the waitlist, it would make sense that they’re waiting for those accepted to commit so that they can see how many spots are open for who haven’t received their decision yet.</p>