High School Research- Staticsoliloquy (on old board) Plz Respond

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<p>On the old board I posted the following message:
I am very intrested in research and want to persue it while in high school. I am currently a soph, and am studying ap calc bc ap stat ap chem and ap us (my toughest courses) i am in michigan. how can i get involved with research! (neurological) any ppl who have done this or anyone with an idea plz post!<br>
btw- i am intrested in eventually doing rsi </p>

<p>Staticsoliloquy wrote:
whenever i post something, people tend to twist my words and make me sound like an arrogant bastard. so even though I might be helpful to some of you, i'll just keep my mouth shut to not anger people. </p>

<p>and yes I've written about this on many other threads. search for them. I even wrote in one thread about how to get grants from government to conduct your own research. </p>

<p>search for the thread. there's no point in repeating myself. </p>

<p>but i can't search!
can u plz just repeat yourself and tell me how i can get started with research, thanx a lot!</p>

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<p>Get started by finding a topic that you're very interested in and read a lot about it. (Medical journals, etc.) =/ Have you found one already?</p>

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<p>what exactly is a published research? Is it when you have tested your hypothesis on a sample group and then came up with a thesis?</p>

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<p>I am intrested in neurology and eventually doing rsi (if i can get in)! I am very VERY intreseted in this subject and really want to do some research on it. But how do i get started? I am a true begginer and know nothing about the proccess</p>

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<p>I am interested in it to.
There is an internship program at Emory university where you get to help with research on a neuroscience related topic and you learn a lot to. For the time I was in it it was really great. The only problem is they do not provide housing but they provide transportation (from where you will be staying during the summer to Emory) I would really try to get in on it.
Website
<a href="http://www.cbn-atl.org/kids/bin.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cbn-atl.org/kids/bin.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>I'd like to do research to, particularly in the medical field.</p>

<p>Just out of curiosity, how did you get to take all of those high courses already?
Self-study?
I'm a soph... and my toughest class is AP Physics B and AP Computer Science... the rest are pre-IB courses.</p>

<p>My friend does a lot of research on programming and AI.
If you have AIM, IM him on SagarSaysShutUp, he could help you out.</p>

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<p>I haven't a clue how Nghi got his NIH grant, but I do know that if you're looking for summer research-type programs, this site is a good resource.
<a href="http://www.k12albemarle.org/monticello/departments/gifted/Summer.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.k12albemarle.org/monticello/departments/gifted/Summer.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>And I would have to imagine that it would be much easier to do a mentored research program first before trying to get a job doing independant research. You just won't know how to do things, and would probably end up cleaning test-tubes or something :-p </p>

<p>Hope this helps.</p>

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<p>one thing to try out is to browse through the websites of local universities to see if any professors are working on some thing that interests you. If they are, write them a nice email, and you may get the opportunity to work with them</p>

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<p>Thanx everyone for the input!!
jjkitty- that looks like a good program but it is for rising seniors, thats when i want to do rsi. I wonder if a soph could get in...</p>

<p>micheal- ap us is a common soph course at my school, there are only a few (3-4) sophs in ap chem. As for ap calc and stat, i have been doing an outside of school math program for some time and in it i finisihed the material covered.</p>

<p>btw,
has anyone ever done worked with a researcher during the school year? is this a feasable idea? ideally, i would like to work on a professors project during the year (learn the 'ropes') so i can start my own over the summer.</p>

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<p>yea im interested in getting a government grand aswell</p>

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<p>For what it's worth, I don't think many of us (RSI 04) did research during the year. But hey, if you can, go for it.</p>

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<p>Pariah- You did rsi 04? Thats sweet. What were your credentials like when u applied? (past reaserch and stats)
thanx</p>

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<p>I did a research program the summer of sophomore year at Michigan State called HSHSP. And I don't really feel like posting all my stats on an online forum (sorry :p). Maybe after I'm done with applications or something.</p>

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<p>ya i understand...
was the msu thing all you had reaserch wise?
i heard that research was the most important thing for rsi anywayz.</p>

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<p>hey justin. justin and i were both rickoids. we even worked at the same research institution. =)</p>

<p>so when is that article of yours coming out justin?! I can't wait to read it on pubmed.</p>

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<p>ya not a lot of rickoids did research during the school year, although I did. it's difficult to balance between research, school, and life. It's a lot of sacrifice but it is totally worth it. I think the main reason I got into RSI was because I did research throughout the year...and that other little thing.</p>

<p>gv tennis55, in order to get a grant, you have to write a research proposal. There books written about it but basically, you'd need complete access to a lab. You need to have a strong background on the subject you're researching. I'm not talking about your ap chem or ap bio classes. Read real scientific articles and reviews. If you understand it, great, you're on your way. You need to have a specific aim, a sound hypothesis, an evaluation of possible errors, a team of PhDs or volunteers, etc.</p>

<p>Right now, I'm working with the PI at my lab on my 2nd NIH grant. It is a pain in the butt because in the real world, deadlines have reaaaaal consequences. For example, if the grant isn't approved, the lab has no funding. We're not stupid. We're also applying for pharmaceutical (BioMarin) and biotech funding. Biomarin is an enzyme replacement therapy that would benefit from my lab's work, thus they're a possible source of money. </p>

<p>Search on NIH websites for possible grants. And if ignorant CCers on here tells you that it's impossible to get an NIH grant, slap them.</p>

<p>First off, try to get into a local research internship program or ask a PhD if you can work in his or her lab doing menial task such as genotyping or PCR. You need to be an underdog of at least a year till they trust you enough to let you touch the big boys. Research isn't an overnight skill you can gain. It is developed. A lot of people at RSI got jaded by research because they think they could save the world with their conclusions. It's a very idealistic and optimistic perspective, and it's greatly appreciated but you have to be realistic. Don't worry so much on the courses you take. I got into RSI with just AP BIO and a 1310. Whatever. But then again, beware, about 40 out of 75 domestic Rickoids got perfect 1600! (Justin can you check the correct number?) BTW, justin was one of them =)</p>

<p>to nosx:
published research are research printed in recognized journals that the scientific community reads. Some of the most famous one are Nature and Science. It is all just a big fancy experiment with a lot of technicality terms and paperworks.</p>

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<p>thanx for all the advice!
and yes, i know that my little ap's are not going to help me with my research and for the past few months i have been reading many papers and articles regarding my field of intrest.</p>

<p>so concluding from all that i have heard, i think its bets to first work with a professor to learn more about my field and about research in general, and then to write a proposal and such to start my own project.
sound like the right idea?</p>

<p>for those who did research, how much time to you spend on your projects?
if i have a general idea of the time commitment i can make a more informed descision about wether to attempt research during the year.</p>

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<p>staticsolilioquy- u got in because of your research and that other little thing...</p>

<p>what was it?</p>

<p>btw where does rickoid come from?</p>

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<p>i worked 20+ hrs a week during the school year. It's exactly like a part-time job.</p>

<p>the other little thing is the NIH grant. You're not a postdoc yet. You don't know the intense competition to be a recipient of a grant.</p>

<p>Rickoid comes from the word Dr. Rickover, the founder of RSI. It used to be called Rickover Science Institute, then it was changed to Research Science Institute</p>

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<p>statisicsoliloquiy, dam long name. Does it matter what the research is on, does it have to me biogentetics of fields of that such. Or can it be, a research on asthmatic children, something im very much interested in.</p>