Highschool: Pot and Alcohol

Pre-College Issues High School Life
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<p>Willing to continue posting if it remains a discussion and not an emotional flame war. Anything I post is my opinion/thoughts and nothing more. Kk.</p>

<p>Well my reasons for not smoking pot, as of now as I am thinking about this issue:

  1. It’s illegal. (College acceptance revoked just cause I wanted to waste an afternoon being high? Or anything, disciplinary action, prison, whatever)
  2. I have no reason to, since there are many other ways for me to pass time in a fun way that don’t involve breaking the law. I don’t see it as a favorable socializing venue either, as in, it’s not ‘more fun’ than other activities: four friends sitting around a couch laughing at non-sense and eating a bunch of snacks? If someone
    3.** Social implications.** Usually, dropouts and unmotivated kids with nothing to do smoke pot. Usually, irresponsible and immature kids get wasted on weekends. Sluts and male-equivilents have a lot of uncontrolled sex. Etc. These are generalizations, so they are not entirely true, but the reason they stand is because actions have meaning. A decision to get wasted/high/have bad sleeping habits says something about your character because those activities attract certain types of people and say various things about your character. Or even if you claim that they have no bearing on your character, you can’t stop people from thinking that way (because they are reasonable conclusions) or defend yourself – being defensive about it makes you look worse (as is the case with many posters insulting others who claim pot is something they’d rather it not be). Also, if you are so desperate to defend yourself, why do it in the first place? There isn’t much reason to do so in the first place. If you feel like you need to break the law just to lose your senses for an afternoon and eat a lot of food… I find it hard to justify. Because really, that’s the only real reason to smoke: to pass some time in a ‘fun’ way. If you did it for any other reason (other than medical) you did it for the wrong reasons (peer pressure, etc). So if you smoke pot, I hope you either 1. Don’t care how others view you at all (which is the true pot culture) or 2. Have no other way to spend your time in a fun way</p>

<p>Side note: In college, alcohol users goes from a select few of crazy immature and rebel highschoolers to… everyone. In which case #3 is nearly invalidated because the correlation doesn’t stand as much. So if you ask me, I’ll drink some in college but not smoke pot. </p>

<p>** Some thoughts against/for legalization:**</p>

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<li> Bird eye perspective: see the nation adopt a pot culture? no thanks… I think it’d deter education and productivity and the ‘image’ of America.<br></li>
<li> Intoxicated driving: just as dangerous as drunk driving
But I do recognize the whole prison (lots of people in prison for possession vs. things like murder and rape) and economy (if it really can boost the economy significantly) argument when it comes to legalization, they are very valid. Just a matter of what you prioritize more.</li>
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<p>The problem here is there are far too many usuallys. You are making generalizations, that for the most part, aren’t true. My school hasn’t had a kid drop out in a few years, yet a lot of kids smoke/drink (wealthy town = kids with money). Are there unmotivated and immature kids who smoke/drink? Of course. Are there unmotivated and immature kids who don’t smoke/drink? Of course. Weed and/or alcohol does not equal lazyness. Some students do look down upon those who do drink/smoke, but those who do so are elitist that myself and others don’t really care what they think. Those who judge people who smoke/drink opinion’s do not matter, because they think they are better than others, while they are not. </p>

<p>(Excuse my response for being so jumbled) Ever driven above the speed limit? I have, and that was illegal. Granted, I’d rather get a speeding ticket than be charged with possession of illegal substances. Yet, you won’t get caught with alcohol/weed unless you are really, REALLY, stupid. For a smart user, the worst case scenario is the parents find out. Unless you highly value your parent’s opinions of yourself, there is not much to lose. The kids who get caught are the ones bringing weed and (less often) alcohol to school, and using it in school. If you think the police is going to come barging in to your house on some random afternoon while you are smoking you are delusional. </p>

<p>Regarding how fun it is, don’t knock it till you try it. Someone who hasn’t drank/smoke can’t properly determine how fun it is.</p>

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<p>And it is incredibly narrowminded to characterize someone by actions he/she has in common with who YOU deem as irresponsible, immature, or slut</p>

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<p>[Cannabis</a> Users Likely To Be Well Educated, Top Wage Earners, Survey Says](<a href=“http://dev.norml.org/news/2005/04/14/cannabis-users-likely-to-be-well-educated-top-wage-earners-survey-says]Cannabis”>http://dev.norml.org/news/2005/04/14/cannabis-users-likely-to-be-well-educated-top-wage-earners-survey-says)</p>

<p>Go to NORML.org. Its a great website advocating for the legalization of marijuana.</p>

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<p>CrazyPluto, what you seem not to understand is this:</p>

<p>Most high school drop-outs and losers smoke marijuana and drink. Yes. </p>

<p>Are most marijuana/alcohol users high school drop-outs and losers? Absolutely not. </p>

<p>I know valedictorians, essayists (as I mentioned earlier), TWO cardiologists, and a professor at Georgetown (I won’t go into any more detail. She’s a family friend) who smoke marijuana occasionally. Correlation does not imply causation. Just because the practice attracts losers does not mean it creates losers.</p>

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<p>Whenever someone talks about how drugs and alcohol lead to a lack of motivation and drive, I always point to my school as a counterexample. I go to Reed College, where responsibility and drugs go hand-in-hand. Whether it’s weed, acid, molly, shrooms, 2cb/2ci, alcohol, or combinations thereof, we make sure that we can use these substances without any negative repercussions for our schoolwork or those around us. </p>

<p>Smart Reedies research drugs beforehand to know any possible negative repercussions and any preventative measures we can take (e.g. taking 5-HTP to help restore serotonin after a molly roll). We make sure our *<strong><em>'s done, or that we can do our *</em></strong> when intoxicated (this really just applies to weed–not much you can do on the other drugs). So, I take offense when people call all drug users addicted, unmotivated, lazy, and passionless, because drugs do not define a person. If you maintain control, respect your body’s limits, and make sure you’re safe (have people around you for harder drugs, stay in a safe and secure environment, maintain good thoughts, etc.), then drug use isn’t such a big deal. It’s a rather fun way to spend a day, make good friends, and enjoy life :slight_smile: </p>

<p>None of this implies that one’s whole life should be spent on drugs. That’d be silly when life has so much more to offer!</p>

<p>EDIT: Drugs in high school are a completely different matter, though. I wouldn’t recommend starting till college, just because the environment can still be very hostile. If you think, though, that the people around you would be accepting and embracing if they found out, go for it! Remember, kids, there are rules, then there’s real life :heart:</p>

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<p>Obama, Al Gore, John Kerry, Francis Crick, George Soros, Steve Jobs, etc etc etc</p>

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<p>Pot users. Stop using your dumb pothead logic.</p>

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<p>^^ This… btw these shouldn’t even be used in the first place. There are “other” way to get high.</p>

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<p>^^And people say we’re the unreasonable ones. Can’t you see the divide you’re creating between non-smokers and smokers, and how that divide contributes to the animosity between them? Pot smokers are people just like non pot smokers. There’s no difference…Can’t we all just be frients?</p>

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<p>I’d say I’m quite successful, and I’m an occasional user of things I’d rather not specify. I find that the stereotype of smokers and drinkers being “lazy,” or for some reason having less worth than those who abstain, is obstinate, obsolete, and, frankly, offensive. You do realize we elected a man to the presidency who was a regular partaker, right? I think–but do correct me if I’m wrong–that he attended Columbia and HLS. But he must be worthless because he liked weed.</p>

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<p>@descuff there certainly are, and weed is quite tame compared to them. Some are safe and amazing, some are dangerous. </p>

<p>@wizkhalifa1 c’mon! It’s a forum, specify!</p>

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<p>@wizkhalifa1 no because he is not currently doing weed right now. Besides why do people even does it in the first place? Everyone I know that did it gave in to peer pressure -_-</p>

<p>@Francaisalamatt: I never met anyone who currently does weed that is actually a smart or a popular person. But you do have a point in saying we are all people, however, each individuals is different in there own right so no we can’t all be friends.</p>

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<p>@CrystalJ He’s talking about Obama xP</p>

<p>Descuff, I’m a smart person who does weed. My stoner friends at college are all smart. I just go to a smart school. </p>

<p>It sounds like you haven’t had a very good experience with weed, whether indirectly (e.g. you only saw lazy people doing weed) or directly (e.g. idk, you didn’t have fun your first time smoking). It’s ignorant to make blanket statements about people based off of your limited experience. Are you even out of high school yet?</p>

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<p>CrystalJ is high right now</p>

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<p>After reading the thread, the only reason I see of people not willing to try marijuana or alcohol is because it is illegal at their age or their location. However, assuming it was legal, would you guys do it? Are you guys aware of the fact that there are many states even in the US that have decriminalized marijuana? Or that cigarettes are infinitely worse than the green? Yet cigarettes are legal? This suggests that what is legal or illegal isn’t based on what’s good or bad, simply who has the most pull with lawmakers. </p>

<p>It’s also surprising that this discussion features many anti-drug users acting very childish and refusing to even understand why someone would do something illegal. Trust me, you will learn soon enough. </p>

<p>Crazypluto in particular, I know you don’t want to start a flame war, and I don’t mean to. But I disagree with a lot of what you said. Mainly because it is COMPLETELY unsubstantiated. I’m sure you just listen to what everyone says and that is why you assume dropouts or unmotivated kids only smoke weed. Or maybe that’s the experience you’ve had in your school. Well, let me tell you that is not true. The #1 swimmer in the world was a weed smoker, are you telling me he was unmotivated? </p>

<p>Let me try and explain why I do it: IT’S FUN. Why would I not do something that I enjoy? I have no idea what’s gonna happen to me after I die, and so I may as well do whatever I want to enjoy myself. My goal in life is not to simply be successful, but have a good time getting there. And there is no way weed will be the reason I am not successful. I can stop whenever I want and have done so on occasion. Weed is less addictive than coffee, cigarettes and even cough medicine.</p>

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<p>^ Ooh I forgot Michael Phelps smokes weed. He got caught once and it was such a huge fiasco, but I was like… meh. Talk about unmotivated though, he was definitely lazy.</p>

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<p>^He was an Olympic swimmer. How can you call him lazy?!</p>

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<p>I added italics to help show the sarcasm in that statement.</p>

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<p>^Oh wait, I’d forgotten what you said in the rest of the thread. Thought you were being serious for a second.</p>