<p>I think environment creates homosexuality.</p>
<p>First of all, religion is a very legitimate way of justifying what I think. Don’t try to use that bs answer of “it shows you don’t think about what you think.” Were you trying to come up with a smart answer and it failed.</p>
<p>Let’s say we do take it from your stance and don’t use religion as a base. Did you read the multiple EVIDENCE sheed provided. All you have to do is read through those websites and you’ll understand. One question: How come gay-supporters don’t ever respond to the actual data. Yoou can continue saying being gay is a choice but if you can’t even respond to scientific evidence disproving that, then what is your evidence. </p>
<p>In your previous post:why would someone voluntarily choose to live that kind of life.
i do not. i have always been this way, and no matter how hard i can ever try, i always will. i have come to accept that and so should others…</p>
<p>^^Someone would voluntarily choose to live that way for attention, desire to look different. YOU CAN CHANGE. HOW BOUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHANGED THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION?</p>
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<p>Based on… your expertise? Your extensive reading on the matter? Oh, I see - the sloppy mess of poorly-supported speculation and feeble illogic that preceded it. Wonderful! I’m convinced.</p>
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<p>There’s no evidence that they “changed” their sexual orientation, only that they claimed to. If they did actually change, it could mean sexuality is fluid - as Kinsey hypothesized. If they only claimed to, it’s probably because people like you made them feel miserable. And, you know - the whole “anecdotal evidence not amounting to a nickel’s worth of actual support” problem. </p>
<p>I can’t even bring myself to respond to the rest of your “points,” other than to mention that you’re ignoring quite a bit of EVIDENCE yourself (posted in this thread) if you’re of the view that homosexuality isn’t even partially biological. What did Jesus (who was [totally</a> gay](<a href=“http://www.salon.com/feature/1998/04/cov_10feature.html"]totally”>http://www.salon.com/feature/1998/04/cov_10feature.html), by the way) say? “Let he who systematically ignores evidence that doesn’t support his position cast the first accusation.”</p>
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<p>If you don’t agree with everything, then please don’t copy and paste the entire thing onto this board as if you fully embrace it. Why didn’t you just post the link? You haven’t offered any insight and instead just bombarded us with a long article from UFI. I can copy and paste articles from liberal sources if I want to. </p>
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Care to clarify what you meant by “choice”? Please don’t look up internet for answers! “overwhelming”? You don’t seem to have done much research on this.</p>
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<p>I cannot try to argue with you on the religious reasons topic because you don’t seem to be comprehending that not all people believe in Christianity, or whatever religion you might believe in. </p>
<p>I will admit that I did not read all that data because it does seem to offer an opinion of the poster in itself; it is just a list of facts of other people and their opinions. In this thread, I want to argue against a person who is supporting their opinion with reason, and sometimes, facts, instead of citing other people’s works. The reason for this is because I cannot argue with the people in the articles, but I can argue with other posts, granted they just don’t leave.</p>
<p>I personally believe that there is a gay gene which is expressed to a certain point. That certain point differs by person, and environmental factors affect that person. I believe that there is not enough scientific data at the point, and will be until scientists either a. find the gene that affects sexual orientation or b. find all genes and conclude that it does not exist.</p>
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JACK:There’s no evidence that they “changed” their sexual orientation, only that they claimed to. If they did actually change, it could mean sexuality is fluid - as Kinsey hypothesized. If they only claimed to, it’s probably because people like you made them feel miserable.</p>
<p>THERE’S NO EVIDENCE THAT PEOPLE ARE NATURALLY GAY. SHEED POSTED UP THOUSANDS OF PAGES OF EVIDENCE OF HOW PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE GAY. CAN YOU GUYS NOT READ THAT.</p>
<p>IT’S A GOOD THING PEOPLE LIKE ME INFLUENCED THEM INTO CHANGING THEIR “HOMOSEXUALITY.” MAYBE, THEY’LL UNDERSTAND THAT HOMOSEXUALITY ISN’T GETTING THEM ANYWHERE.</p>
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<p>So you want to argue against someone who is supporting their opinio with reason and facts. What facts do u havve that there is a gay gene. i do not understand why evidence by other researchers and such is not considered facts or evidence. obviously when i’m trying to prove something, i use not only my own beliefs but scientific research to prove my case.</p>
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<p>Neither is your infantile devotion to an imaginary “God.” </p>
<p>Thread over, good night folks! It’s been fun. (edit: yell “Boom, headshot!” as you read this post)</p>
<p>I believe that people are more inclined to have a gay gene because they do not have a reason to be pretend to be homosexual. Why would people choose to be homosexuals during the time of Hitler and be forced into concentration camps. Why would they want to go to concentration camps to get massacred? The scientific evidence that is spammed, which I have not read, probably does not outrightly say that “We have looked all the genes and conclude that the gay gene does not exist.” This is what I believe in.</p>
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You mean those “testimonies” cited by conservative groups like Exodus International? The mainstream medical groups and American Psychiatric Association think “there is simply no sufficiently scientifically sound evidence that sexual orientation can be changed”. And what do you mean by “change” anyway? You mean the same-sex attraction was completely removed? The fact that there had been so many relapses, even among some former leaders of those ex-gay groups, suggests that’s not the case. Like sanjen said earlier, what we do know is that it is not a conscious voluntary choice. [Ex-gay</a> - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay]Ex-gay”>Ex-gay movement - Wikipedia)
On the other hand, the rate that the identical twin of a homosexual is also a homosexual is much higher, suggesting some genetic linkage may exist. Just because it’s not genetically determined doesn’t mean it’s not genetically influenced.</p>
<p>ACTUALLY, I DON’T HAVE AN INFANTILE DEVOTION TO GOD. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY THAT AND YOU’RE VERY MISTAKEN. </p>
<p>Your only response is “thread over;” you don’t even prove yourself or provide evidence. I’m sorry, but your arguments just continue to prove how corrupt, and lacking of morals gay people are. By reading hti sthread, you should see that now is your chanCe to change.
Have you ever tried to b religious by reading the Bible or trying to have a true relationship with God? You say that people don’t voluntarily want to be gay. Okay then, why don’t you attempt to change your “condition” and outlook so you’ll get away from being gay. If it’s not something you desire to be, then you’ll surely want to change, right?</p>
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<p>why would people choose to be homosexual?</p>
<p>because they are sinful and corrupt. THE POINT IS:: THEY NEED TO TURN FROM THAT SIN. </p>
<p>why would hitler prosecute the Jews, why would the Turks kill 1. 5 million Armenians, because they are SINFUL people!!!</p>
<p>do you guys not read the other posts by sheed and others. IT’S NOT GENETICALLY INFLUENCED. HOW MUCH EVIDENCE DO OYU WANT…WOW</p>
<p>I tried reading the Bible once. So boring! I wish they had more action, less “So-and-so begat whoever, and said blah blah.” How can anybody read that stuff? I watch American Idol instead - now THAT’S something I can believe in.</p>
<p>i think it’s a choice…</p>
<p>Look, hereicome - when I was a kid, I hated Jello. I never tried it once, but I didn’t like the way it wiggled. It looked gross! I couldn’t understand why anybody would ever eat such a disgusting thing. </p>
<p>Then one day, my mom said “Just try it!” and so I did. And you know what? Jello is actually pretty good! I had spent all that time thinking it was horrible, but once I tried it out, my opinion changed.</p>
<p>So all I’m saying is, try things out before you criticize them. Experiment a little - nobody’s going to find out. You never know what’s going to rub you the right way, if you know what I mean.</p>
<p>You tried reading the Bible and it was boring? Apparently you don’t really want to change huh? Hypocritical. American Idol is more appealing to you, that’s why I calim you’re influenced by the media and brainwashed. You choose to watch a television show who in no way can help you change and improve on your life instead of reading the Holy Scriptures in order to better yourself and get away from sin.</p>
<p>someone who says that the Bible is boring adnd they’d rather do somthing else doesn’t show really desire to change. nice one jack. you keep getting more absurd with your arguments.</p>
<p>jack:So all I’m saying is, try things out before you criticize them. Experiment a little - nobody’s going to find out. You never know what’s going to rub you the right way, if you know what I mean.</p>
<p>HYPOCRITICAL AGAIN!!! So you basically just proved to me and everyone on the board that you TRIED things out. You chose to be GAY, like teh attention and wahtever crap you gget from being gay, decided to officially be that way, and then advocated it. NICE ONEEE…talk aboutt totally changing your position.</p>
<p>you weeren’t born that way…u just TRIED things out to see how a “gay” person is…</p>
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<p>Woah, I’m confused. I was just talking about Jello. Where’d all this gay stuff come from? Is there something you want to tell us?</p>