<p>Sheed,</p>
<p>I would appreciate it if you left ad hominems out of this argument. Also, this thread is more about giving your opinion and supporting it with facts, not copy/pasting facts and then adding “this is why I am right.” I believe that just because a “gay gene” has not been discovered yet, does not mean it will not. I feel it is more credible to believe that a person has genetically different DNA, which causes them to be gay, rather than them choosing to be gay for attention.</p>
<p>yes i totally understand what you are saying and just try to think about it this way.</p>
<p>because i am a Christian and believe in God, i believe that God would not have people be born into a sinful life that he condems. That would make no sense, i know my God is a loving God and has plans to “prosper and not harm you”. therfore he wouldn;t set his own creations up for failure.</p>
<p>that is what i know and how i can know that homosexuality is a choice.</p>
<p>The point is that as a christian I CANNOT EXPECT you to have the same reasoning because you do not believe in the God that i base All of my beliefs on.</p>
<p>i’m actually talking to the catholics or christians that are hating on homosexuals and tryin to get them to see that you can’t expect people to do something based on what you believe if they dont believe the same thing.</p>
<p>claiming to rep. Christ then hating on homos isn’t the way the God you christians claim to serve would do it.</p>
<p>God is love,</p>
<p>Thank you for clarifying, rssll5. Since I do not believe in Christianity, I, as well as all but 33% of the population, are excluded from, what is in your sense, logical reasoning.</p>
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<p>that is what i am saying. i don’t alienate myself for being who i am. i don’t want to be called a fagggot when i am walking down the street so why should you be labeled as a terrorist. you don’t choose to be muslim (even though you sort of do? unless you are talking about being arabic/middle eastern…which is different) and i don’t choose to be gay.</p>
<p>so why should people like you and i be alienated for things under our control??</p>
<p>Wow, that was not racist at all on Sheeds part.
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<p>Not all muslims are arabs/middle easterners. Not all arabs/middle easterners are muslim. White muslims are not labeled as terrorists, but all arabs/middle easterners are labeled as terrorists. Choosing to be religious is a CHOICE; choosing to be a certain race is NOT. If I could choose to be a race, then I sure as hell would change to a minority group (in terms of college admission), but I cannot. What I can do though is choose to be a christian or a muslim. </p>
<p>And comparing a sexual orientation to committing a crime is a false analogy.</p>
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<p>Are you serious? We shouldn’t. I never said anything about homosexuals being alienated. I never said I hated them. I never said anything should ever even happen to them because of their sexual orientation. All I said was that I believe it’s a choice, and it seems to me like there is overwhelming evidence that support that belief. That’s all I ever said. Find somewhere, anywhere, on this entire forum that I have ever badmouthed being homo or anything liek that. I DO NOT BELIEVE that they should be alienated for things that “aren’t in their control.”</p>
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<p>What the hell are you talking about? Racism? what? when did i even talk about Arabs or middle easterners? what the hell? Religion is a choice? When did I say it wasn’t? dude, what in the world are you talking about. you have some crazy imagination.</p>
<p>White muslims are not labeled as terrorists? What about Brandon Mayfield? He was a white lawyer and falsely accused of terrorist attacks. The FBI were the one’s that screwed up on a stupid finger print and he sued them for millions of dollars. Dude…really, you need to get some glasses,.
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<p>Do you guys really want me to respond to this guy? I never brought up religion with respect to homosexuality at all, except in the case of people being discriminated against.</p>
<p>This for everyone on the thread. Do you really believe that guy has any idea what he’s talking about? I mean I have given my point from the beginning, I’ve spewed out facts and tons of sources, many of them debatable, but I have no idea what he’s talking about. He obviously hasn’t even read a fourth of my posts. Care to explain?</p>
<p>don’t worry sheed, i was directing that at you.</p>
<p>i’m just speaking in general. but unfortunately, gay people are alienated (just like middle easterners) and it isn’t in our control.</p>
<p>and it’s NOT a choice. i know you won’t believe that, but it’s true.</p>
<p>Okay, there you go with ad hominems trying to destroying my credibility by insulting me. Anyway, the religious aspect was not suppose to be directed towards you. What was directed against you was how you felt that muslims are labeled as terrorists. No, middle easterners and arabs are labeled, not muslims. </p>
<p>Looking at individual cases instead of looking at racism is a whole is pretty naive; there will always be exceptions.</p>
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<p>okay what do you mean by ad hominems?</p>
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<p>WHERE DID I SAY THAT MUSLIMS WERE LABELED AS TERRORISTS???</p>
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<p>Are you serious? You want me to come up with more cases of non-arab muslims being discriminated against? Because I can come up with A **** Load…</p>
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<p>Like I said earlier. If any reputable university or institution of science ever say that it is because of genetics and it is not a choice at all. I would believe it. It has nothing to do with what people believe. It has to do with the proof that’s seen in the scientific world.</p>
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<li><p>Yes, you can come up with a lot, but you cannot come up with as many as arabs being labaled as terrorists.</p></li>
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<li><p>Oops forgot about that. But it’s still true. </p></li>
<li><p>Well…just because there’s a majority of Arabs, does not mean you have to disregard the minority. I know many many cases where there were non-Arab Muslims being discriminated against because of their religion. Are you a Muslim? Are you exposed to it? I don’t think so. You do not know anything about who is discriminated against, unless you are part of the problem. That’s like saying light skinned blacks were not as discriminate against as dark-skinned black…yea doesn’t make sense to me either.</p></li>
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<p>Thanks for at least the only comment from my opposition that has said anything nice to me at all…I think </p>
<p>Appreciate it :D</p>
<p>jack are you gay?</p>
<p>yeah i am.</p>
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<p>Edit: This post came out has harsh, but my point still stands. Another thing you cannot do in an internet argument is assume anything about the person you are arguing against. What if I am Muslim, then what?</p>
<p>I’ve experienced it…non-arabs have experienced it…</p>
<p>'nuff said</p>
<p>Homosexuality Is A Choice Despite What You May Claim It To Be. First Of All, If It Was Genetic, Then How Is It Possible That Some Homoseuals Have Cahnged Their Lifestyles And Become Heterosexual. Secondly, There Are A Lot Of Cases Where The Identical Twin Of A Homosexual Is Heterosexual. If Homosexuality Was Genetically Determined, Then This Wouldn’t Be True. </p>
<p>Also, Why Shouldn’t We Use Religion To Justify The Fact That Homosexuality Is A Choice And It Should Be Banned? It’s Sinful Behavior. Looking To The Bible, It Is Clear That God Made “male And Female.” </p>
<p>In A Society That Clearly Honors Being Different And Unique, It Is Not A Surprise That Homosexuality Has Arose. Their Disgusting Desire To Be Different Stands In Their Way Of Being Moral, Righteous People. Instead, They Corrupt The Minds Of Others And Fill It With Their Sinful Behavior. It’s No Wonder Society Is Falling More Into Corruption.</p>
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<p>Yep, because homosexuality is such a novel concept and all. </p>
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<p>Because it’s entirely baseless and shows that you don’t logically think about what you believe in before you choose to believe in it. You pick and choose your arguments against homosexuality from the same text that condemns eating shrimp, trimming your beard, and interacting with a woman while she is on her period. You take as literal fact the words of people who thought the sun revolved around the Earth and the body was governed by humors, and you maintain the ridiculous position that because something was written by these people it trumps everything science has taught us about the human body and life itself. It’s one of the most pathetic arguments I can conceive of anybody ever using, and I am deeply sorry for anybody who does. </p>
<p>edit: and stop with the zany capitalization</p>
<p>Sheed,</p>
<p>You missed my point. No one cares about the minority except for the people in the group itself. If all of sudden women started giving birth to only homosexual children, then people would change their beliefs and everyone would be happy.</p>
<p>hereicome09,</p>
<p>I might be wrong on this because I suck at Biology (only got a 3 on the AP Bio exam), but cannot identical twins express different traits? </p>
<p>We shouldn’t use religion as justification because not everyone believes in the same religion. It is not a good basis.</p>
<p>Edit: Mistaken assumption</p>