<p>Where’re you coming up with those numbers, collegehelp? Berkeley, for example, on collegeboard.com has 590-710 verbal and 640-760 math. Just adding those up gets 1230-1470. Obviously the combined score would have a narrower range (since the bottom 25% on math isn’t identical to that in verbal), so it would likely be something like 1260-1440, but certainly it’s not as low as 1200.</p>
<p>I had never heard of SUNY or CUNY schools before joining this website.
Also I didn’t know what anyone meant by it until I read an abbreviations thread.
So I would assume outside of New York they aren’t very well known.
BTW, I live over a thousand miles away</p>
<p>The SAT scores in post #17 came from the US Dept of Education IPEDS website. They are submitted by the colleges themselves.</p>
<p>Many good students from my town (suburb of Rochester, NY) go to SUNYs. A lot of kids in National Honor Society went to SUNYs. Probably fewer than 10 from each graduating class go to elite private schools. Too bad the good students in NY don’t have an awesome public university like Berkeley, Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, Illinois. New York is a big state but I think New York City is like a black hole for NY tax dollars.</p>
<p>@Schmaltz - Those are named after the town that they are in, and most of the town names have Indian origins. Not their fault. =P</p>
<p>^ Collegehelp, “About 52% of all revenue raised by local governments in the state is raised solely by the government of New York City, which is the largest municipal government in the United States, whereas New York City houses only 42% of the state population.”
[New</a> York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York]New”>New York - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>Erin’s Dad is absolutely correct. The myth of NYC absorbing tax money is annoying because the truth is pretty much the opposite.
The state is broke, but it isn’t NYC’s fault.</p>
<p>Long Island also happens to have a one billion dollar deficit. Downstate is paying for upstate/central/west NY.</p>
<p>Collegehelp-- many great students go to SUNYs, but they’re probably best suited for the middle 80%, like I said. For example, in my high school graduating class of about 300, ten or so go to very strong top privates (top 50). The 15-20 other students in the top 10% are great students, and in other states would be going to the Berkeley/Michigan/UNC/UVA school with tremendous success and quality. Unfortunately, in NY, they’re going to state schools that are just not on that level of quality. That’s why the scores are pretty good in NY–just as many smart kids here as anywhere else, just as many of them are price conscious, or looking for a more traditional big school feel, or anything else that comes along with a public school education (generally). It’s just unfortunate that we don’t have better places to put those students.</p>
<p>Many of my friends got great educations at SUNY schools, but there are definitely quite a few that would have benefited tremendously from having a stronger system (or at least stronger flagship).</p>
<p>In the Northeast there were so many strong private schools that there wasn’t a large impetus for the founding of strong publics until much later. Those who could afford and were prepared for college in the NE easily went to privates that saturated the areas whereas in the Midwest and West, colleges had to be built to accommodate them. When these colleges were built, public was en vogue. When many of the NE colleges existed, public colleges and universities was really a fledgling concept in many ways.</p>
<p>Maryland, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Ohio all have excellent state flagships and are close to the northeastern private colleges. Where did NY go wrong?</p>
<p>Did I mention the dysfunctional New York State Legislature?</p>
<p>Virginia went right because of Thomas Jefferson. Pennsylvania has significantly less wealth so private colleges were less accessible. Maryland and Ohio are quite far from the NE privates in the mid-1800s when land grants unis started.</p>
<p>Cornell also sucked up state funds for some time in its public half which covered a lot of NY’s motivation to have public schooling.</p>
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<p>SUNY Geneseo and Binghamton look like “flagship campuses” of the NY public university system to me on a student “quality” basis.</p>
<p>Reason why they probably aren’t considered as prestigious is because the NE privates have cannabalized a lot of the academic talent. If you’re a rising prof on a tenure track in the NE, you head for the Ivies…In California, you head for Stanford or Berkeley.</p>
<p>The OP, collegehelp’s, initial question was about the perception of CUNY/SUNY outside NYS.</p>
<p>Perception often has no relation to academic quality. Some top ten schools in the Sports Illustrated rankings are highly perceived nationwide but offer mediocre academics. If Americans could turn on their TV’s on a Fall Saturday and watch the Stoney Brook/Michigan footballl game or the Binghamton/Notre Dame game, then Stoney Brook and Binghamton would be household names and would be perceived well around the countey.</p>
<p>Perception and reality often do not match up, in both directions.</p>
<p>Different SUNY schools are definitely known around the country by field. Stony Brook is very well know by scientists, mathematicians and computer geeks they also have an excellent and well known med school. The Crane School of Music at Suny Potsdam is also well known around the country as is their math and language programs. New Paltz for arts. Suny Purchase Conservatory of Music is also well regarded. CUNY: Brooklyn College for Sciences, Baruch for business, John Jay for law and CCNY for it’s illustrious alumni. Queens college Aaron Copeland School of Music is also well known. Admissions offices for grad school know the SUNY’s/CUNY’s as do the top employers in their specific fields.</p>
<p>I’m from Indiana and know about Binghamton and Oswego.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the posts so far. I’d like to hear from more people from around the country.</p>
<p>“If Americans could turn on their TV’s on a Fall Saturday and watch the Stoney Brook/Michigan footballl game or the Binghamton/Notre Dame game, then Stoney Brook and Binghamton would be household names and would be perceived well around the countey.”</p>
<p>C’mon. Michigan and ND are NOT good examples. They are both better academically than either of those two schools.</p>
<p>It’s not implied that ND and Mich. are mediocre, just that something that has zero to do with academics (like being on the field of a game that millions of people are watching) would enhance their reputations. And if there are a few more App State-style losses, I can see Michigan’s new athletic director telling his secretary, “Hey, get me New Paltz on the horn, will ya?”</p>
<p>SUNY schools are set up to serve the people of New York. It’s a huge state with a big population and a good number of SUNY graduates probably plan to stay in state where the schools are well known. Buffalo, Stonybrook, Albany and Binghamton are university centers (I think they all offer PhD programs), and are the largest of the SUNY schools. There used to be 13 SUNY colleges (Geneseo, Oswego, Cortland, Buffalo–has two SUNYs, Purchase, etc). The colleges were originally teacher colleges and they each offer something that usually only one other school offers; they don’t all offer business, nursing, criminal justice, etc., so they don’t compete against each other a lot.</p>
<p>SUNY also has an extensive community college and ag and tech two-year school network, which used to have great matriculation agreements for transfer to the four-year schools. If you look around the country, you might find that the SUNY system is a very progressive system that was designed to serve New York and probably does that very well.</p>
<p>I don’t know a darn thing about CUNY. My first job out of college was at a SUNY college in admissions. We had a great time traveling all over the state recruiting students, but not once did I leave the state to recruit.</p>
<p>It depends what is your career or major mine is criminal justice, here in Florida we have 3 of the best universities in the country and I decided to ATTEND CUNY JOHN JAY because of their reputation every professor in Florida I talk too told me the same thing to come hear. Good luck every one</p>
<p>They’re very well known where I am in Connecticut. On average, just as many students apply to the SUNY schools as those who apply to UConn. Which is around half of the graduating class.
Funny though, in New York, Geneseo and Stony Brook were always considered best/most selective. In this area of CT, most people favor New Paltz, Albany, and Binghamton.</p>
<p>I am native NYer now in Philly. Growing up in NY, some of the kids I knew went to SUNYs but they weren’t considered prestigious. I don’t hear of anyone from Philly going to them.</p>
<p>SUNY Binghamton is supposed to be a great value for OOS students so more people may know about that one that the others.</p>
<p>As someone mentioned above, SYRACUSE has tremendous name recognition due to its huge sprots program.</p>