<p>ahah don’t worry, i’m sure you’ll get in somewhere great!!</p>
<p>where are you applying?</p>
<p>haha thanks! Barnard, NYU, Boston College, Boston University, GWU, and Tulane…but Barnard is my first choice followed by NYU (though its hard to put them in order…I’d be happy to go to either!) and if I don’t get into those I’ll be devastated. haha so hopefully I’ll get into at least one but I know its iffy! where else are you applying?</p>
<p>Hahah, I’m looking NYU, BU, UCLA, UCB, etc. I hope I make it!!!</p>
<p>I’m not applying till next year though…I’m a junior! </p>
<p>I wish you the very best! Also, how were your subtests today?</p>
<p>thanks I hope you make it too!! they were okay but I didn’t finish any of them. when/if you take them, pace yourself well!! its so hard to finish them! haha maybe we’ll end up at the same college! you are smart to be looking so early, I only started this year!</p>
<p>Random aside, Barnard is not looked very well on by either NYU or Columbia kids. It’s like sneaking in a back-door to get a degree that’s quite different from the one you worked for; don’t be surprised to get snubbed a bit if people hear that name.</p>
<p>As for the OP, you stand a decent shot with such beastmode SATs and SAT-IIs. And AP 5s never hurt anyone either. In all honesty, if you’re applying to CAS with your GPA though, don’t be surprised if you get deferred into LSP. That’s what they tend to do with kids with your sort of profile. One of my absolute best friends here (in the bedroom right next door to me right now, incidentally) was in your exact same situation. In his words, he goofed around in high school and didn’t try too hard but didn’t lack the intelligence to flex on the tests and pull in some good scores.</p>
<p>Because of that, they recognize your intelligence but are a bit concerned by your work ethic, so they drop you into LSP where you have the exact same core classes as everyone else. After 2 years, you have a GPA and a track record at the school, and they can measure you quantitatively against people who took all the same classes as you so they know what a 3.93 means with no subjectivity. i.e. There’s no debating whether a 3.6 in Stern is impressive as hell vs. a 3.85 in CAS majoring in anthropology.</p>
<p>Not saying that will definitely happen to you, but that’s what many of the kids in LSP will say about themselves. Maybe read up on the program a bit. Good luck though. =)</p>
<p>“Random aside, Barnard is not looked very well on by either NYU or Columbia kids.”
Do you fantasize that Columbia kids look more favorably on NYU? I’ve read CC posts where Columbia students recommended Barnard over NYU to prospective applicants. From the various posts I’ve read here over the years it appears to me that Barnard wins over NYU for most cross-admits.</p>
<p>hellodocks,</p>
<p>While the Barnard College admission rate is relatively high, in the 30% range as I recall, because it accepts females only, many Barnard women are super achievement-oriented and successful. Many have gone on for advanced graduate and professional degrees. In fact, the culture of women only means that Barnard students do not have to worry about playing the feminine role and letting the guys take over in class (it is known in psychological research that males are reinforced for verbal and dominant behavior in classes more than women when the classes have both males and females).</p>
<p>Without that component of “deference to males,” it does appear that many Barnard students achieve at a very high level while in college and beyond. Of all the students I personally know from Barnard, all but one went onto become doctors, lawyers, professors, that is, most did not stop at the bachelor’s level. Also, Barnard women held their own in classes at Columbia College since many do take classes on that side of the campus.</p>
<p>So, I really feel the denigration is misguided and does not reflect on the many achievements of Barnard students. The acceptance rate does not necessarily measure the ultimate success of a specific student body.</p>
<p>@hellodocks…</p>
<p>I know <em>a few</em> people think that Barnard is a back door into Columbia, but for most applicants, its not. I’m interested in Barnard, not Columbia, but I love that if I went to Barnard, I’d get to experience both schools. I think Columbia students like Barnard girls more than NYU’s but really, why does it matter?! Aren’t you happy enough at your own school not to belittle others?! and fyi the admission rate for NYU is 38% and Barnard’s is either 30 or 31% so it’s harder to get into. no matter what school I end up at, I won’t look down on any other school, I’ll just be grateful I got in wherever and that I’m in NYC! and just wondering, what did you mean about the ‘getting a degree different than what they worked for?’ </p>
<p>no offense, but you sound like the only kind of person that would ‘snub’ someone for going to a certain school. nyu students should NOT be snubbing Barnard students because it comes down to that fact that Barnard is a harder school and its harder to get into! but I’m applying to both and know that they each have pros and cons but they’re both great schools! what is your problem with Barnard?</p>
<p>@evolving: that admission rate is not that high, its 3/10 people. probably high compared to an ivy league which usually admit 1-2/10, but still!</p>
<p>lorrainedelis, Huh? How does the acceptance rate of 30% I cited (Post #27) above that different from your 30-31% for Barnard (Post #28)?</p>
<p>By the way, the official acceptance rate for NYU CAS for Freshmen class of 2010 is pretty close to Barnard’s. According to NYU Admissions Office, 28% of CAS applicants received acceptance for Freshman year 2010. And, of course, Stern and Tisch are more selective (the former more “statistics driven” while the latter depends “relatively” more on artistic talent and potential).</p>
<p>As a Barnard graduate myself, I know for a fact Barnard produces many, many talented, successful, and productive graduates who contribute greatly to human society.</p>
<p>Really, the statistics and comparisons are way overdone, even with the Ivys. Many people are successful coming out of state universities, community colleges or just entering the labor force without a formal college education. Though college in general does help increase chances of getting employment and getting better paid employment for the average graduate (compared to someone with just a high school degree).</p>
<p>Enough said. The important things are: 1) the fit between the student and the school and 2) the student/ family’s ability to pay for college costs.</p>
<p>@evolving…I was just saying its not ‘relatively high’ because 30% isn’t that high! but you were totally right about the 30% 
and for NYU altogether its higher, but I guess some schools are more selective than others. I agree, I think its stupid to compare schools like this! all of them are great schools!</p>
<p>@lorraine
Before you’re so willing to attack someone, step back for a moment and look at the bigger picture. Read my post history and tell me if I come across as the type of person to be snubbing people for their school. Hell, read my thread: <a href=“Current Stern Sophomore: Ask Me - New York University - College Confidential Forums”>Current Stern Sophomore: Ask Me - New York University - College Confidential Forums;
<p>I’ll be completely frank with you, I hate that NYU’s acceptance rate is so high. I hate that the endowment is so small that a significant factor in every decision is how it affects our fiscal performance. And to be honest, I don’t say I go to NYU. I say I go to Stern. We have a 12% acceptance rate.</p>
<p>I never said anything disparaging about Barnard myself, I simply stated what I see with my own eyes here in the city that other people say and do.</p>
<p>As for LSP, yes, everyone asks what school you’re in when you’re meeting people freshman year, so it comes out. The people who are shallow enough to think poorly of you for being in it will judge you, and you shouldn’t count them among your friends.</p>
<p>Yes. You can file an internal transfer app after (in the spring semester of) your first year. A girl I know really well did it. She originally applied to CAS, was deferred to LSP, and discovered she wanted to be in Tisch. She applied and got in, and that’s where she is now.</p>
<p>Grad schools will not know, because you get your Bachelor’s degree from whatever school you graduate from here. However, if you leave after two years at LSP, you’ve earned yourself an Associate’s Degree. I suppose that’s the only way it would show up.</p>
<p>No, LSP is 2 years. What happens is you take general ed classes for 2 years on a pretty much set curriculum (there are a few options here and there), and if you maintain a 2.0gpa, you are guaranteed acceptance into your original program your Jr year. You graduate with a regular NYU degree with no trace of LSP.</p>
<p>Yes, you must meet the same liberal arts requirements as all other students in NYU schools. Same classes that stern, CAS, SCPS, tisch, etc. take freshman & sophomore year. </p>
<p>You do graduate in 4 years with a degree from your perspective school. Note that NYU has tons of students and the urban environment reduces the amount of space per student. Naturally, it makes more sense to have a program like LSP. </p>
<p>Stern, Tisch, Steindhardt, Etc. have minimum space and cater to both undergraduates and graduate students. Being a grad student @ NYU, it makes plenty of sense to me why some students get sent to LSP and then completely upper-level course work in their perspective school. It doesn’t make you any less quality of a student and it doesn’t mean you’re NYU’s ■■■■■■■ stepchild. </p>
<p>Employers & Grad schools will not know, nor will they care, that you were in LSP. If you really love New York & the urban environment. You will be thrilled to attend NYU regardless of whether you’re going to LSP or not. LSP has some advantages like smaller classes, more one-on-one time with professors, and it’s a little less competitive so come graduation day, LSP may have benefited your GPA and such. </p>
<p>You guys worry too much. I understand the anxiety, but just relax and don’t worry about it. If you get in, great. If you don’t, it’s not the end of the world.</p>
<p>@jjohn
LSP is two years as a default track. However, kids do have the option to move out after one year, whether it’s by applying as an internal transfer just as someone from CAS to Tisch would or by applying to a different specific program within the school they were deferred from.</p>
<p>@hellodocks, k I wasn’t ‘attacking’ you, but thanks you seem like a cool person! and congrats on stern, it must’ve been hard to get into!</p>
<p>@hellodocks: I dont think Stern acceptance rate is 12%, that would just be ridiculous at ivy level (dartmouth or penn at least)
Somewhere around 25-30% is justifiable</p>
<p>@TAHUNGANH it would definitely not be as high as 30%. Remember, Stern is one of the best business schools in the world. I would say it would be around or below 20%. The 12% is the transfer acceptance rate I think.</p>
<p>ACCORDING TO WIKIPEDIA, WHICH I HIGHLY** DOUBT** THAT IT IS INCORRECT</p>
<p>Admission to Stern is highly selective. According to BusinessWeek, 7,281 people applied for admission to the undergraduate program for the 2006-2007 academic year and 28% were admitted.[22] In 2007-2008 the average combined verbal and math SAT score of incoming freshmen at the undergraduate level of Stern was 1445 (30% scored greater than 1500) and the secondary school average GPA was about 3.8. The Stern admissions committee does not consider writing scores.</p>
<p>Over 92% of the Stern population are within the top 10% of their high school graduating class.[23] The internal and external transfer acceptance rate is about 12% and has remained steady through the years. All Stern admissions decisions are holistic in nature.[24]</p>
<p>Check it out <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_University_Stern_School_of_Business[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_University_Stern_School_of_Business</a></p>