<p>How could he get something that we’re saying he didn’t need?</p>
<p>To put this a bit more directly, if Obama would have been accepted as a transfer by Columbia if he had been white, then he didn’t get any benefit from AA. Because we don’t know what his stats were, we can’t really know. But we have pretty good evidence that he may have been somebody who didn’t need AA.</p>
<p>Obama’s biological father went to Harvard. I just wanted to point that out.</p>
<p>needed it or not its a question of whether he go it or not. i dont understand how you guys dont get what i am saying.</p>
<p>Well to “get AA” implies that he got in because of AA or that AA played a role in the decision to admit him. I’m sure it didn’t.</p>
<p>Even if AA did play a part in making it easier for Barack Obama to get into Columbia, it’s better than how many other politicians get into Ivy League schools, like solely through lineage and money donations.</p>
<p>You guys kill me…as soon as you hear someone is black and in a top college automatically they still …lol…didnt go through the same process as you. They didnt do well in school, take exams, write the essay, study late nights etc. …lol w/ you guys AA did all the work.</p>
<p>College Yahoo: AA is far more valuable than Legacy. For example, before it was ruled unconstitutional, you got 4 points for being Legacy at UMich and 20 points for being black. You needed 100 points to get in.</p>
<p>i am just going to continue drilling this inside your heads since you guys dont seem to understand. its not a fact whether he needed it or not, it’s whether he got it or not.</p>
<p>i dont understand why you care so much about AA…
If you have a 4.0, get great letters of recommendation, and lead student organizations, you’ll be an appealing transfer for any college…</p>
<p>one thing’s for sure, when i vote for him it won’t be due to AA… but i will vote for him because he swore into the senate on the koran and wants to ally with Iran!! Jihad Jihad!!</p>
<p>^ yes of course but being all of that PLUS BEING BLACK MAKES HIM EVEN MORE APPEALING</p>
<p>3365, I don’t think you quite understand that a person who would have gotten in without AA didn’t get AA. Indeed, essentially the definition of AA is that it affirmatively benefits people who otherwise wouldn’t get the benefit. While you’re right that being black probably made Obama more appealing, he may well have been appealing enough anyway.
To put it even more simply, AA may not have helped Obama at all.</p>
<p>mebe 3365 got rejected from Columbia and is now a debbie downer</p>
<p>An even more pressing question:</p>
<p>How did John McCain get into the Naval Academy?</p>
<p>“While you’re right that being black probably made Obama more appealing”</p>
<p>so you are saying AA didnt help him? you just admitted that AA made him more appealing and if thats not helping then i dont know what it is.</p>
<p>Is it possible John McCain’s status as the son and grandson of admirals was of no help to him in gaining admission to the Naval Academy, where he was ranked 895th out a class of 899?</p>
<p>Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, despite the heavy time demands required to serve on (and ultimately to edit) the law review. That requires graduation in the top ten percent of the class.</p>
<p>At Harvard Law School, the tests are identified by examination number, not by name, to avoid any favoratism, conscious or unconscious, in grading.</p>
<p>The fact that Columbia and Harvard had affirmative action policies when he applied to those institutions detracts not one iota from the simple fact that Obama’s intellect is world class.</p>
<p>3365, are you just pretending not to understand? While Obama’s race may have made Columbia eager to admit him as a transfer, if he would have been admitted regardless of his race, then AA didn’t help him get in. That’s pretty simple.</p>
<p>Not sure what difference it makes in a president but for the record a 163 on the LSAT, if that’s what it was, was never great; and Harvard did have an affirmative action policy on the law review at that time whereby 7 to 10 slots were reserved for minority candidates, with different standards. It caused quite an uproar in some alum circles at the time it was instituted. And, wasnt he a legacy at Harvard given his father?</p>
<p>From my perspective, Obama’s “elitist” education concerns me. This whole election process feels a bit unreal like it is a mirage.</p>
<p>Hunt, what 3365 is saying makes logical sense…</p>
<p>Affirmative action is the reverse discrimination of people who have the property of being a minority.</p>
<p>Barack Obama is black.</p>
<p>The property of being black falls within the property of being a minority.</p>
<p>Therefore, Barack Obama received affirmative action.</p>
<p>It is a deductively valid argument of the form:</p>
<p>All A receive B</p>
<p>C is A</p>
<p>Therefore, C receives B.</p>
<p>The question of whether or not he needed affirmative action is seperate from whether or not he qualifies for it.</p>