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I thought your d had some pretty sweet merit offers, dad II, from those schools to which she applied that offer merit money. </p>
<p>Is your thread here a question about how to find a safety for a strong student, or how to find a safety within thetop schools that will also offer a lot of merit money? These are separate questions. There is a great thread on the schools that offer top merit $$. If you haven’t looked at it lately, that might be a great thread to review.</p>
<p>jym626, I don’t really know what I am asking. That is the frustrating part. I thought the 2nd time would be easier for us. Not the case.</p>
<p>^^^ I responded to your PM, dad II. Your s is interested in economics, business, politics?? Can you remind us? This will help others suggest appropriate schools.</p>
<p>econ - the science oriented one, not the business school econ.</p>
<p>As of today, the possible list is:</p>
<p>Amherst
Case western
Cornell
Duke
OSU
Stanford SCEA
Swarthmore
UPenn</p>
<p>^^^^ Can you clarify?</p>
<p>You mean the economics of science and technology, like this? [Economics</a> of Science and Technology: Department of Applied Economics](<a href=“http://www.apec.umn.edu/Economics_of_Science_Technology.html]Economics”>http://www.apec.umn.edu/Economics_of_Science_Technology.html)</p>
<p>If I understand it correctly, some schools only have econ in their business school and the program is geared toward business application. It is more qualitative.</p>
<p>Other schools have econ in their schools of Arts & Sciences and the program is geared toward more principles of the sciences. It is more quantitative. This is what DS would like to study.</p>
<p>It is somewhat similar to the difference between a BA and BS degree.</p>
<p>Econ in the science school? Could you show a link with a program like that? I am familiar with econ within A&S, which is more theoretical, in my opinion harder.</p>
<p>A few additional pointers on finding a good safety. First, make sure YOU like it. If the safety is your child’s only acceptance and you as the parent are glum and dour the child is going to feel worse than they already might. Second, be aware that choosing a safety for a specific course of study is risky, especially for boys, especially for non-science boys. They change their minds. So make sure that a) there are other strong departments at the school b) there are compensating factors, such as location, sports teams, special programs for high SAT scorers etc. Of course, I say all this with a sample size of one.</p>
<p>UMiami IMO is absolutely a school that fits this category for the 2300+ kids if they like any of the following characteristics. Great music, great marine science, good politics, dynamic university leadership, proximity to a great medical school, diverse student body, established program of merit scholarships, and, Miami…</p>
<p>Hard to follow the posts now since some were edited (and apologies b/c my post #65 now kinda doesnt make sense as dad II did go ahead and clarify in his post above)</p>
<p>I am no expert in the economics of science and technology, but that degree of specialization may occur at the graduate level. If one wants to specialize in that, they will most likely need a core background in economics at the undergrad level. One can major ai ecom at a LAC or can get an undergrd BBA in a business school. Both are options, I’d guess.</p>
<p>** Do those schools on your s’s list offer the program in economics of science that your s is looking for dad II??</p>
<p>********** OOHHH you want a BA in econ (theoretical) not an applied econ degree, is that it??</p>
<p>I believe Dad II is simply trying to distinguish between economics as taught in a college of arts and sciences/college of liberal arts as opposed to a business school. </p>
<p>Dad II, just about any university worth anything will be able to teach economic theory pretty well. Students with more math aptitude can choose to take upper level courses that concentrate on econometrics and statistical applications. </p>
<p>I don’t know about OSU, but many public universities allow students in the business schools to choose to take their economic theory courses in either the business school or the college of arts and sciences, if the university has its actual economics department outside of the business school. That is the case at the university where my H is an econ prof. He gets quite a few business students who prefer the more theoretical economics courses outside of the business school.</p>
<p>I have a suggestion for your son. If he goes to the web pages of the econ. departments of schools in which he is interested, he can determine what kind of economics research is going on, how many profs bring in outside research contracts and in what areas of specialization. If he is interested in getting involved in research, he can send an e-mail to specific profs asking if they offer any research opps to undergraduates. He can also contact the departmental undergraduate director and ask questions about research fields and research opportunities.</p>
<p>Ahhh, we cross posted, midmo. I think you are correct on all fronts. My other suggestion, when I thought he meant the economics of technology, was to go find research articles on this topic and find out where the professors who write about this are teaching, and contact them directly to inquire about the program.</p>
<p>what midmo said. </p>
<p>I do think DS has any problem finding schools he likes. The difficult part, like almost everyone else, is to narrow down from the list of schools he likes, to those he could get in, and then to those we could afford.</p>
<p>dad II
Have you considered posting some of these questions over in the “business major” forum? <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/business-major/[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/business-major/</a> You might get better answers to your questions about schools.
As for this
you know quite well that it is hard to determine what schools you can afford without knowing what schools will offer merit money. Why doesn’t your s look more agggressively at OUTSIDE scholarships so that it doesnt matter which school he chooses? There are a lot of outside scholarships, big and small, single year and renewable, that can essentially pay your s’s way through college. I’d suggest you look at the Fin aid and scholarship forum for lists of ways to search for the schoarships he would be appropriate for. Start here <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/103604-list-mostly-merit-scholarship-info-websites.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/103604-list-mostly-merit-scholarship-info-websites.html</a></p>
<p>Cornell and UPenn, as a matter of Ivy League policy, do not offer merit scholarships. </p>
<p>I would suggest crossing these two schools off the list if merit scholarship money is essential.</p>
<p>Dad II, UChicago doesn’t have an UG business school, but as you probably know, the Econ program is a big gem in their crown. Chicago is also heavily into theory. They might have a specialized major in what your S is considering. They offer merit $$, too, though FA is not as competitive as many would like it to be.</p>
<p>^^ Marian, please read the rest of the thread… Dad II would benefit much more easily from need-based money than from merit (since any merit award would have been at least full tuition to make much of a difference).</p>
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how to find a safety within thetop [sic] schools that will also offer a lot of merit money?
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Isn’t this an oxymoron? Only school I can think of is UMich, but merit at Michigan is a reach for everyone.</p>
<p>Dad, the reason you’re having problems is that you are still looking only at very tippy top schools. You’re looking at schools where being an Asianale is generally commonplace. You asked this question last year and posters gave you a well thought out list of LACs. What have you done? You picked 2 of the top ones in this country. </p>
<p>If you want money why aren’t you going lower on the ratings? You seem to want it all, top 20 prestige and as much aid as possible. </p>
<p>Have you investigated ANY colleges that rank, say, between 30 and 80 on the USNWR lists? If not why not? Some of them may be more than happy to attract a smart Asian male. Why not try for places where Asian males bring diversity, instead of the places where they are a dime a dozen?</p>
<p>Keilexandra and Pizzagirl,
You are both correct. I had to go looking to see where I said what you quoted (complete with my requisite typo, LOL) and indeed, your points are exactly what I was saying. Aiming for the tip top schools and also wanting merit (not need based) money is a real longshot, as there are few schools tht are likely to fit that bill. </p>
<p>Good news for DadII is that with 2 kids in school his EFC will drop significantly, so need based aid will probably fill any unsatisfactory (in his eyes) gap in merit aid. And just curious-- maybe Dad II DS should work this summer and earn some money to be saved for college instead of taking a 5 week trip overseas complete with some pocket (spending) money… :rolleyes: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062395337-post5580.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1062395337-post5580.html</a></p>
<p>You can apply EA to top schools and not have a safety. I only ended up applying to 3 schools after getting in EA at Chicago.</p>