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<p>Tradition? We are all in our early 20s probably, lol.</p>

<p>Times are changing, Big Ten is getting out in front of the inevitable conference expansion. We need to expand our TV markets and Maryland and Rutgers do that. Now we have spots for 2 more schools and look for the Big Ten to try to continue to expand their TV presence. </p>

<p>Both schools can improve in football. Hell, most schools go in cycles anyway. Rutgers is pretty decent anyway. ****, we already have Indiana, Illinois, etc. </p>

<p>These moves make sense. I hope we can get some heavier hitters for the next round of expansion. Texas? lol. Ok, how about UNC?</p>

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<p>14 teams are required for what “new system”?</p>

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<p>UCB, I was not referring to an absolute rule, but rather the new standard. Most major conferences are expending. Like it or not, in order to remain competitive, conferences will have to have more than 10 teams and have their own conference championship games. Had the Big 10 remained an 11 team conference, it would not have been able to compete with 12-team conferences with conference title games. Now that some conferences (like the ACC and the SEC) have moved to a 14 team conference model, that will be the new standard. I personally think that 14 team conferences are fine, as long as teams play at least 10 of their 13 fellow conference teams each year. I would rather see them play 11 with only 2 non-conference games. 16 teams only makes sense if there is good fit. Like I said above, the only way I would like to see the Big 10 expend is if it adds teams like Chicago, Mizzou, Notre Dame or Pitt. Nebraska was a great addition as it has a ntural rivalry with Iowa. Pitt has a great rivalry with PSU. Notre Dame has a great tradition with Indiana, Purdue, Michigan and Michigan State. Chicago has not been active for a long time, but when it was, it had a healthy rivalry with several Big 10 teams.</p>

<p>Rutgers and Maryland are logical additionns financially (the Big 10 have the Chicago, New York and DC markets covered), but any additions at this stage should adhere more to tradition.</p>

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<p>Chicago is a Div III school. I don’t think they are coming back to the Big Ten any time soon. Also the schools will not increase the conference schedule because there is too money to be made bringing in the Easterns and Westerns of the world. The sole purpose of the expansion to increase the number of cable subscribers with Big Ten Network and to increase television revenue. Otherwise it does not provide much benefit to the existing schools and it brings no benefit to the athletes.</p>

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<p>Exactly res ipsa. We will not go to a 10 conference game schedule. I think we should be happy if it goes to 9. </p>

<p>Alexandre, all the schools you just mentioned do not add any new TV markets to the BTN. Sure, they may make more sense right now tradition or football wise, but $$$ > tradition. </p>

<p>No way Chicago joins. </p>

<p>I think our next two teams will be from the east coast again. Ideally we some how get Texas too but they are probably all bouncing to the Pac 16. I think UNC would be a good fit but idk if they’d leave without Duke or NC St.</p>

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<p>Alexandre, Notre Dame and Pitt are already members of the ACC. Pitt is an all-sports member and Notre Dame is all-in besides football which should follow soon enough since ND loves the ACC and wants to compete with other academic powerhouses like Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, UNC, Duke, etc.</p>

<p>The B1G has no identity now with the additions of Maryland and Rutgers. They add very little academically (actually might detract) and don’t have popular football teams. Its really a sad day to be a Big 10 alum.</p>

<p>The ACC, on the other hand, with the hopeful addition of Vanderbilt will soon have the horses to run with the Ivy League schools academically by still maintaining a high level of athletic excellence.</p>

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<p>No way Chapel Hill leaves the ACC and the best college rivalry to join a conference it has no rivalries or natural geographic peers with.</p>

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<p>Alexandre, NCAA only mandates 12 teams to have a conference championship game. B1G accomplished that with the addition of Nebraska. B1G already has their TV network, bowl tie-ins and championship game with 12 teams. Going to 14 with 2 relatively weak football schools seems to be diluting the brand. Nate Silver, the guy who correctly forecast the presidential election seems to think so as well:
[Expanding</a> Eastward Could Dilute Big Ten Brand - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/expanding-eastward-could-dilute-big-ten-brand/]Expanding”>Expansion by Big Ten May Bring Small Payoff - The New York Times)</p>

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<p>The Big Ten sees the writing on the wall. We are going to these super conferences and they want to claim their additions now before they get stuck with MAC teams. </p>

<p>Academically both Rutgers and Maryland are better than Nebraska.</p>

<p>“The ACC, on the other hand, with the hopeful addition of Vanderbilt will soon have the horses to run with the Ivy League schools academically by still maintaining a high level of athletic excellence.”</p>

<p>lol, “high level of athletic excellence.” Ok… Football excellence in the ACC rides on FSU, and we may see the SEC poach them from the ACC. Next you have the hope that maybe Miami returns to being decent. ND is good yes, but they do not turn the ACC into excellence. The B1G is also setting themselves up to be a better basketball conference, or at the very least right on par with the ACC. </p>

<p>If we are going to 4 super conferences, the B1G, SEC and PAC have set themselves up to stick around. 1 spot is left. Will that be the Big East-ACC combo or will all those schools fade into the SEC, B1G, and Big 12 making the Big 12 the final superconference.</p>

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<p>Goldenboy, there is a very good chance that UNC could go to the B1G. No one expected Notre Dame to break off a storied tradition with Michigan either… The point is, UNC’s football team (despite being mediocre) makes 3 million dollars more in revenue than their basketball team. Their basketball team is the 3rd highest revenue-raking team in the country. Football is the money making king and money is what’s driving these conference realignments. Tradition has been thrown out the window.</p>

<p>After the recent moves, I will not be surprised if UNC joins the B1G.</p>

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<p>I tend to agree that ND, Pitt and Mizzou are not headed to the B1G. There is gossip about Georgia Tech being pursued by the B1G but I don’t know how serious the talk is. Other talk about UNC but I have trouble believing that UNC will abandon the ACC and its rivalry with Duke. Texas is unlikely to join for the same reason as Notre Dame - it has too many independent sources of revenue and will not be able to agree to terms with the B1G over sharing of revenue. ND went to the ACC because with the implosion of the Big East, ND needed a place to park its non-football sports and the ACC was willing to capitulate to its terms regarding football revenue - academics played no role in decision making. As a football conference, the ACC pales in comparison to the SEC and B1G in the ability to generate revenue and with football revenue driving the budgets of college athletic departments it is not difficult to see why Maryland was eager to flee the ACC for greener pastures in the B1G. The ACC could face more difficulty if football powerhouses like FSU, Miami and Clemson bolt for the SEC. The 9 game schedule poses problems because it forces an inbalance in the conference schedule for road/home games and many of the AD’s have objected to it in the past. I’m not a fan of the Maryland/Rutgers additions but time will tell as to how it works out.</p>

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<p>I only wish</p>

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<p>“Alexandre, Notre Dame and Pitt are already members of the ACC.”</p>

<p>So is Maryland, and they jumped ship to the Big 10. Can you name me a single Big 10 team that has left the conference so far?</p>

<p>"…Notre Dame is all-in besides football which should follow soon enough since ND loves the ACC and wants to compete with other academic powerhouses like Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, UNC, Duke, etc."</p>

<p>You could say the same thing of Notre Dame and the Big 10. Northwestern, Michigan, Wisconsin, UIUC, Indiana, Penn State, Purdue are also academic powerhouses and at least share a long history with Notre Dame. Let us be honest, Notre Dame turned down the Big 10 because they wanted to remain football independent. To the Big 10, football was non-negotiable, to the ACC it was. Needing to join a conference as the Big East disintegrated, Notre Dame bolted to the only conference willing to allow it to remain football independent; the ACC. The joke is on Notre Dame. They will be locked out of the Big 10 (the only football conference that makes sense to them) and having joined the ACC, they have given up many of their football rivalries and thrown their once proud hockey program under a bus! An interesting scenario would be if Notre Dame beats USC but is overtaken by one-loss ACC/Big 12/PAC 10 teams in the BCS bowl. If that happens, look for Notre Dame to be pressured to join a football conference, and I can guarantee it will not be the ACC.</p>

<p>“The B1G has no identity now with the additions of Maryland and Rutgers.”</p>

<p>LOL! Really? A 14 team conference has lost its identity because of two new members? Nebraska joined recently, but they have a long history with Iowa and Following that logic, does the ACC have an identity now that Notre Dame and Maryland’s replacement join the conference? </p>

<p>“The ACC, on the other hand, with the hopeful addition of Vanderbilt will soon have the horses to run with the Ivy League schools academically…”</p>

<p>Wow. The ACC has the equivallent of HYP? Is there a single school in the ACC than comes close to HYP academically? Are the top three universities in the ACC even equal to Columbia, Cornell and Penn? And although Vanderbilt is certainly a candidate, a far more likely candidate is UConn. Academically, I would rather take Maryland than UConn. Bottom line, there is no university in the ACC that comes close to matching H, Y or P, and the top 5 universities in the ACC (Duke, ND, UNC, UVa and Wake Forest) do not quite match the other 5 Ivies. The remaining ACC schools are not on par with the Ivies. BC and GT are very good, while VTech, FSU, Clemson, Miami and South Carolina are good but not very.</p>

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<p>UVA and UNC…come on down. Would love to see both those additions for a variety of reasons, and they sure both need the money.</p>

<p>UNC
[The</a> Daily Tar Heel :: UNC athletic department struggles to make profit](<a href=“http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2010/02/unc_athletic_department_struggles_to_make_profit]The”>http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2010/02/unc_athletic_department_struggles_to_make_profit)</p>

<p>UVA
[UVa</a> raising price of football tickets after weak sales - Daily Progress: News](<a href=“http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/article_0c5cfdd1-92b5-58f5-9628-8f5e22d07111.html]UVa”>http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/article_0c5cfdd1-92b5-58f5-9628-8f5e22d07111.html)</p>

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ND loves the ACC and wants to compete with other academic powerhouses like Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, UNC, Duke, etc.
Right … that’s why Notre Dame holds perennial games with Navy, Purdue, Michigan State, Pittsburg and USC, rivalries with much longer history than any ACC team. But thanks to your post, we now know that these are all academic peers with Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, UNC, Duke, etc.</p>

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Not unless the ACC allows Notre Dame to keep all of its football and TV revenues and independence in scheduling. Even then, I still don’t see it.</p>

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<p>Notre Dame is first and foremost a football school when it comes to athletics. It’s geographically aligned with the Big Ten and has a large following in the Catholic communities of the Midwest. It’s origins and its history is with Big Ten schools. Notre Dame’s arrangement with the ACC is a marriage of convenience - with the implosion of the Big East, it is the only place where it can go and keep its football finances independent. The fit is a bit contrived and seems cross-sectional to me.</p>

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<p>Wow, so now not only is ND the greatest thing ever, but so is the ACC. If I were you I would hope the ACC is still a thing in 4 years</p>

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<p>Good game, Wolverines!!</p>

<p>Now go out and bring the respect back to the B1G!!! lol</p>

<p>Best of Luck in the Bowl Game!!! :)</p>

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<p>Fire Borges? Second half play calling = let’s stop doing everything that worked in the first half.</p>

<p>Denard is a beast. Here’s hoping he gets the career rushing record. Then, here’s hoping he gets drafted by my Cleveland Browns. </p>

<p>We are gonna get matched up with a “mighty SEC team” this bowl season, and we’ll have to play them on their home turf. Here’s hoping we take them out.</p>