<p>I heard that more applications have taken place, so how hard is it to get into Bing? SAT's range?</p>
<p>well - since they seem to have deferred a LOT of their EA applications, and RD decisions aren't out yet, it is simply too early to give you an answer that has any value.</p>
<p>the best you can do is look at the stats in this document -- <a href="http://www2.binghamton.edu/admissions/pdf/measuresofexcellence.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www2.binghamton.edu/admissions/pdf/measuresofexcellence.pdf</a> -- and assume it will be harder this year than last -- but just how hard and what type of stats are involved -- no one can answer until admission decisions are in fact made.</p>
<p>very hard. if youre instate. you will need at least a 1300/1600 on sats
out of state applicants prob only need to break a 1000 and have at least a B average</p>
<p>All NY parents should be writing and emailing their local representatives and Gov Paterson that this is outrageous -- giveaway to OOS at below market and they have less SAT?GPA</p>
<p>why are you reacting as if what someone posted here is fact when at most it is speculation?</p>
<p>a lot of people with great stats are applying this year because of the low tuition compared to other colleges...</p>
<p>Iamhere -- are you talking to me? Many taxpayers and residents are demading that SUNY publish by college instate v. OOS. Time will tell.</p>
<p>oh its not speculation about oos v instate stats. instate requirements are much less stringent. its a travesty. admission requirements should be equal for all applicants.</p>
<p>Dear NY -- I suggest you, your parents and your classmates send something along the lines of the following to your state represenatives. [comment referring to another poster removed] the SUNYs are lobbying hard -- and they dont care about fairness to in-state students. </p>
<p>Dear Assemblyman/State Senator/Governor, </p>
<p>In these difficult economic times, it is a disgrace that SUNY gives preference to out of state students and charges them below market tuition. While the tuition for out of state students is more than in-state (13k v. 7K, tuition only), it is still appreciable less than what most state universities charge. For example, Rutgers charges about 20K for tuition for instate students. To add insult to injury, out of state students are admitted to SUNYS with appreciably lower SATs and GPAs than instate students. This is unacceptable. This does not enhance any diversity – most of the out of state students are from states like New Jersey and Connecticut and are not appreciably different from New York students. </p>
<p>Many other states’ universities are increasing out of state students in these difficult economic times, in order to increase tuition income. But other states are not giving away spots to out of state students at below market tuition rates. </p>
<p>Each SUNY now discloses the average SAT and GPA of admitted students. You should demand that this be disclosed separately, by each SUNY college, for in-state versus out of state students. You should also demand a summary of tuition rates for out of states students for nearby states, e.g. Pennsylvania, Connecticut. </p>
<p>By giving preference to out of state students, the SUNYs are leaving New York residents with the choice of attending community colleges (even if their SATS and GPAS are higher than the out of states admitted at these bargain rates to the 4 year SUNY colleges) or expensive private or out of state colleges (which charge out of state students much more than NY does). The benefit that the SUNY colleges receive from the out of state tuition is far far less than the burden New York state residents, including your constituents, bear. </p>
<p>If the out of state students will not pay the market, then the in state students should have these spots. It is not enough to give SUNYs the power to charge out of state residents more, they have no incentive to bring fairness to the table – to them a student is a student. To you, some students are residents. Their response may very well be to charge the out of state student $15,000, again, below market, and to admit them with much lower SATs and GPAs. </p>
<p>I would suggest that in these difficult budget times, you tell the SUNYs that if they want New Jersey and Connecticut students, they look to the New Jersey and Connecticut legislature for funding and pay the state rent for their land.</p>
<p>i really didn't want to get into this but for the benefit of others reading here.</p>
<p>you have raised the OSS issue. i commented (in another thread) that an important issue affecting the economic future of the sunys was the state budgets cuts coupled with the fact that the state kept 90% of the recent tuition increase -- and i suggested that THIS was a pressing issue warranting people contacting their legislators (though the budget has already passed, perhaps something can be done for the future). i provided links to comments by suny officials referring to the severity of the budget cuts and the fact that the state was keeping 90% of the tuition increase.
at binghamton's site there is a link that allows ANYONE (in state, out state, student, parent, interested citizen, ANYONE) to contact nys legislators about this issue.</p>
<p>you are the one who keeps coming back to the OOS issue. you keep trying to bring it back to an OOS issue. you are free to be concerned about what you perceive to be an OOS issue. you are free to try to convince other people that there is an OOS issue. BUT PLEASE -- the budget cuts and fact that the state kept 90% of the tuition increase affects ALL suny students and future suny students. it potentially affects the future economy of the state as it may adversely impact the education received in the future by suny students. if you don't feel moved to contact your legislator about it -- fine -- but do not cite me to somehow support your position on OOS!</p>
<p>The post of mine which was removed referred to another post which had a link to a SUNY Binghamton sponsered site encouraging OOS students, among others, to protest NY state funding cuts. That funding, in excess of 8Billion, subsidizes OOS students. I am suggesting that residents and taxpayers also write to their representatives to protest OOS admission and tuition policies. I am most grateful for that other poster to point us to the SUNY sponsered (and paid for? out of our tax dollars) so we know about it, and encourage all NY state residents to communicate quickly with their state elected officials.</p>
<p>iamhere...you are right. my parents and my girfriends parents have already written letters to the state legisators regarding the issue of the state keeping 90% of suny tuition instead of letting the individual sunys use the money for their own schools.</p>
<p>i hope the state listens and responds favorably to our pleas to not continue with their insane plans regarding tuition. it will ultimately hurt the educational system as a whole. we might not see the reduction in the quality of education right away...but it will defintely impact the suny system negatively in a year or two.</p>
<p>without adequate funding the sunys wil be forced to accept higher numbers of OOS applicants just to get the extra tuition. to entice the oos people, they will (have already) lower their admission standards for OOs. if more oos applicants apply and attend, then the caliber of students will drastically change and could ruin some of the sunys reps as being a competitive public institution.</p>
<p>i am personally disgusted that a NYS school would put higher standards for their own. standards for admission should not be so arbitrary regarding your residence. but i know im living in a dream world.</p>
<p>Bravo to Kayf and nystudent...nys government doesn't care about nys residents.
NYS residents are subsidizing oos students and are forced to go to other school that are alot more money.</p>
<p>In a way, though, they are doing us a favor. The school has a good reputation for the wrong reasons. Application and yield stats don't indicate quality. The school is overcrouded and has little resources to provide the right education. </p>
<p>Now by lowering thier standards for oos, they may well lose the reputation as well. Go figure NY government hard at work!</p>
<p>I’m not sure I agree with the entire premise that they should not accept lower SAT’s from OOS (within reason) but I do agree that SUNY tuition is much too low for OOS. Every other school my son applied is around $20k. Why is SUNY so cheap, even after the latest increase. I’m not sure what the in/out breakdown in some of the lesser SUNY schools but it seems they should be able to do something to increase OOS revenue.</p>
<p>BTW, is this lower standards for OOS something new? Or has it always been done?</p>
<p>“if youre instate. you will need at least a 1300/1600 on sats
out of state applicants prob only need to break a 1000 and have at least a B average”</p>
<p>One problem with this statement. It isn’t true.</p>
<p>As SUNYs wont report, we dont know. Frankly, I dont think there is that big a difference, but I do think there is a difference. It devalues SUNY Bing, and is a giveaway of tax payer to out of staters (who charge instate 20K if one of our kids goes to their college). Instate people, please contact your local state represenatative immediately and demand that SUNYs treat instate kids fairly – disclose OOS v. IS admissions standards and raise OOS tuition. Contact them today. Do it for your neighbors kids, your friends kids, but most of all, do it because it is right. </p>
<p>Disclaimer – my D is planning on attending a private school, which was her first choice. I have many friends who are going to have trouble affording private. </p>
<p><a href=“http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/[/url]”>http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.senate.state.ny.us/senate...ators?OpenForm[/url]”>http://www.senate.state.ny.us/senate...ators?OpenForm</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.ny.gov/governor/contact/index.html[/url]”>http://www.ny.gov/governor/contact/index.html</a></p>
<p>granted i was exaggerating to make a point. it sounded better in my head, than it reads.
however, you cannot deny that its easier for OOS residents to get into bing.</p>
<p>I think it’s really foolish to do all this letter writing now, because you have any concrete proof that there is major discrimination. Given that most in-state applicants are either still deferred or waiting for a response, what proof do you have that there is anything worthy of the state investigating?</p>
<p>What is the percent of admitted OOS students this year versus last year. If the percentages are the same then there is no issue. We can cry all we want because an OOS student with lower GPA/scores than we had got admitted but that is what happens. If we are applying to a UC college we probably have a lower bar to meet than a California student. Most universities, whether public or private want to have a diverse community and reach out to students in other far away states, etc. </p>
<p>I know that if I get accepted, it will be a squeaker. I have great SAT scores but my GPA is mediocre. If I dont get in, it isnt because someone in Texas got my spot, it will be because I should have applied myself more in Freshman/Sophmore year, water under the bridge.</p>
<p>It may be easier to get into UC as oos, but at least UC charges market tuition for OOS.</p>
<p>The point of writing NOW is to demand that the state, which provides substantial funding to SUNYs demands transparency and fairness. I am not asking for a criminal investigation, but due diligence as to the funding SUNY provides. As taxpayers that it is only fair. </p>
<p>Do it now - the sooner the SUNYs realize they are accountable, the better.</p>