<p>1320 and 4.2 UF GPA, 300+ service hours, president of 2 clubs....</p>
<p>REJECTED. </p>
<p>fjeqriogj!</p>
<p>kristendotcom,
is that girl from varela?</p>
<p>I prey that someone has the cajonies, time and money someday to sue UF's ass for this policy of discrimination. It's unfair, sad, a watering down of academics and in the end, will keep UF from reaching the status of UCLA, Virginia and Berkeley. I also hope I'm wrong, but i don't think I am. </p>
<p>Racist</a> Admissions: A Policy For Failure</p>
<p>CU-Boulder, the median combined SAT score for enrolled whites was 205 points higher than that of enrolled blacks. The white 25th percentile was greater than the black median score. There were also substantial differences in high school grade point averages. The black median was 2.9. The white median was 3.3.</p>
<p>Used together, test scores and high school grades are the best predictors of whether a student will earn an undergraduate degree. In general, people with lower scores and grade point averages find college work more difficult, particularly when directly competing against people with much higher abilities.[3]</p>
<p>Liberals consider it "fair" and "compassionate" that college administrations greedy for appropriately colored bodies adopt policies ensuring that the "average" black student will have a tougher time meeting academic requirements than the "average" white student. If they care that such a handicap causes far higher dropout rates--only 39% of black students in the classes of 1987, 1988, and 1989 graduated in six years at Boulder compared with 72% of better prepared whites--it is only to argue for easing graduation requirements or the creation of academically worthless programs to serve as ghettos for the unqualified. Diluting requirements dovetails nicely with the liberal mania for equality of outcome. It ensures that all graduating students will be equally unprepared to compete in the global labor market.</p>
<p>Such callousness creates poisonous race relations. Lerner and Nagai found that more than half of the whites refused admission to the Boulder campus had higher SAT scores than half of the blacks who were offered it. White students observe that the black students in their classes get special treatment but are often not their academic equals. Such unfair treatment creates widespread resentment. Individual black students, ignorant of the fact that as a group they are below average in academic preparation, know only that they work harder and get lower grades than the whites around them. They conclude that everyone discriminates against them.[4]</p>
<p>Maybe if our public schools in the South were properly integrated we wouldn't have this problem..............</p>
<p>I have no bias either way. But I want to share some statistics with you guys:</p>
<p>==1998==
University of Florida students—numbering more than 42,000 in Fall 1998—come from more than 100 countries (4,174 international students), all 50 states, and every one of the 67 counties in Florida. The ratio of men to women is 51/49. Seventy-four percent of UF students are undergraduates (31,477), 19% are graduate students (8,060) and 7% (2,799) are in the professional programs of dentistry, law, medicine, pharmacy and veterinary medicine.</p>
<p>Approximately 2,700 African-American students, 3,900 Hispanic students and 2,550 Asian-American students attend UF. Ninety percent of entering freshmen rank above the national mean of scores on standard entrance exams taken by college-bound students. </p>
<p>This equates to 9,150 total minority students at UF. 21.7% of all students</p>
<p>==2006==
University of Florida students, numbering almost 51,000 in Fall 2006, come from more than 100 countries, all 50 states, and each of the 67 counties in Florida. The ratio of men to women is 47/53. Sixty-nine percent of UF students are undergraduates, 22 percent are graduate students and nine percent are in the professional programs of dentistry, law, medicine, pharmacy and veterinary medicine.</p>
<p>Approximately 4,000 African-American students, 5,700 Hispanic students and 3,600 Asian-American students attend UF. </p>
<p>This equates to 13,300 total minority students at UF. 26.0% of all students</p>
<p>*SOURE: The Official UF Catalogs</p>
<p>The University of Florida is ranked 2nd overall in the United States for the total number of Bachelor Degrees awarded to African Americans, and 3rd overall for Hispanics. In addition UF ranks 5th overall in total number of Doctoral Degrees awarded to African Americans, and 2nd overall for Hispanics. Lastly UF ranks 3rd overall in total number of Professional Degrees awarded to African Americans, and 1st overall for Hispanics.</p>
<p>owned.....lol</p>
<p>by the way...im an african american freshman at UF....could you please tell me at what points i get special treatment because i dont observe any special treatment from anyone....i am treated just like anyone else, UF doesnt give a crap...we're all numbers there....yes UF has programs for minority students, but why wouldnt they? when you're a school as "white" as UF...its important to have these programs....and sometimes, this just takes being a minority to understand....you guys dont have to deal with feeling uncomfortable and threatened......but nonetheless, i do not even view THIS as special treatment, because in the end, this is just like a tutor, which you "white" people could easily get as well for free.....so im just clarifying that minorities do NOT get special treatment over white people at UF and definitely not me anyway....by the way my gf was rejected over some white people who are way lower than her in qualifications and she nearly qualified for the honors college but not quite. we do NOT get special treatment.....and we are NOT expecting anyone to feel sorry for us....and dont get mad at african americans, get mad at UF for this, even though it's kinda how it should be because just as you said, stuff like this happens everyday in life. sorry.....it just seems like ur making it sound as if minorities are getting top secret information that you white people arent getting....if thats the case me and all of my black friends must be white.</p>
<p>dvm358- PLEASE put down the crack-pipe and do just a little homework before making silly false statements. The bottom line is that UF abolished official affirmative action in admissions. Then they hired black admissions officers and the minority "quota" morphed into an unofficial goal. </p>
<p>The results:</p>
<p>1) Blacks make up 14% of the Florida population and 13.5% of the UF population
2) Many white males with scores good enough to be admitted to Cornell are rejected by UF
3) Many minorities are rewarded for either being significantly less intelligent than the UF applicant pool or for slacking in school, with admission offers from UF.
4) UF academics suffer and UF will have a MUCH harder time breaking through to a TOP 10 public university. </p>
<p>The current average freshman SAT of ~1310 which is impressive would be, in my best guess ~1380-1400 if hey practiced blind admissions. The ~1400 score alone would improve the "peer review" score in the rankings, vaulting Uf from BARELY top 50 to top 25 ranked school. Peer rankings count more than student/faculty rankings in the US NEWS rankings. Think about it-if you were an academician and knew nothing about a school except that the average SAT score of Freshman was a 1400, what would your impression be? Personally, I think that UF is partially performing a smoke and mirrors show with publicly trying to address the student/faculty ratio with tuition rates. It wouldn't cost them a dime to increase the quality of their incoming freshman class-a factor within their control. If FSU is currently doing this, wait and see them take leaps in the rankings in the coming years. Great for them.</p>
<p>I think what it will take for UF to turn to a true blind admissions is either a massive lawsuit or having a year where some state legislatures have family members rejected, get frustrated and change policy.</p>
<p>Disclaimer- I am a current UF MBA student and a PROUD gator. I just call things as they are.</p>
<p>My comment was about universities in general, and not UF specifically.</p>
<p>Visit a school in a minority heavy neighborhood. Go to the schools with higher rates of students on free or reduced price lunches. You'll notice a significant drop in the quality of education, especially in Florida, where schools have funds taken away from them each time they fail to improve on the FCAT; it's a time where schools need the funding most.</p>
<p>tomslawsky- i am in no way insulting you but something in your statement really got me heated up as i was talking about it yesterday with a former Gator. the whole top 10 schools. WHY THE F<em>u</em> does UF need to be a top ten school. i am not complaining because i wouldnt be able to make it but wats with the elite mind set. there is no reason why uf should raise their standard to 1400 on the SAT. what happens to the thousands of students in florida who cant get that score. this is a STATE university and it will never have the aura that yale, princeton, etc have. if someone thinks UF should strive for that you are totally missing the history and tradition behind UF. the current president is trying to make UF a top ten school and its ruining a lot of people and departments.</p>
<p>dvm,
PLEAse...PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE show me some proof that hrowing money at a trouble school system actually improves it. I can show proof from California that throwing money at schools actually increases bureaucracy and correlates to a DECREASE in standardized test scores and to some extent increases dropout rate. </p>
<p>I think it's time to stop raping tax payers and figure out a way to educate kids without throwing gobs of tax dollars at the schools with no accountability. For instance, lets look for teachers with proven track records of efficiently teaching LARGE classes and throw 6 figure salaries at them, make them accountable and increase the size of the average class. Of course, keeping the class sizes small for special needs students should be priority.</p>
<p>teacher salary has ALWAYS been a major problem in florida as a state and it needs fixing. thats it.</p>
<p>UF may not be able to be classified in the same league as the Ivy schools, but I think they're aiming for UC Berkley status.</p>
<p>Kauffman,
My retort to you is that top 10 is UF's goal, I just happen to be on board with it. I understand what you're saying about being a STATE school, but I am looking at it from a different point of view. I think that when making this evaluation, one should look at the State SYSTEM as a whole, rather than an individual school. For example, let's have UF as the "Florida-Berkeley". This is the shool that rewards smart, hard working leaders. If you are a resident of the State and can't gain admissions to UF, there are PLENTY of state schools working down the totem pole that you can get into. You can try FSU, work down to USF, UCS, FIU, FAU, UNF, etc. So, in essence, I don't think all state schools should be created equal, but as a SYSTEM there should be schools that admit different stratifications of Florida residents. Being a state resident and having some sort of solid academic preparation should give you an entitlement to a good state school admissions, but NOT to the school of your choice. Using your argument, all colleges within a school should have equal access, as they are part of the state system.</p>
<p>tomslawsky, Thank you for having the guts to speak your mind. UF does indeed practice racial discrimination in admissions, pure and simple. It really is outrageous the special concessions given to blacks and--to a lesser extent--Hispanics. It was fine to have a period of affirmative action, but that time is long gone. How many generations must pass before blacks will finally take full responsibility for their situation? As long as opportunities are just handed over without having been earned, blacks will never realize their full potential (which, by the way is just as high as everyone else) and whites will continue to seethe in anger over the opportunities earned by their children but denied them.</p>
<p>Re "properly integrated schools", the problem is NOT the schools or even the faculty; it's the students' attitude and their family culture. I have yet to see any significant percentage of students in such schools taking school and schoolwork seriously. There is little desire to learn. And to make matters worse, there is widespread, blantant disrespect for the faculty. Try walking down the halls of a predominantly black high school between classes sometime. It's extremely sickening to hear the language used by these students.</p>
<p>If anything, there needs to be more accountability for the people who administer the tests that measure school accountability. Florida's sunshine state standards in science have been ranked amongst the worst in the nation. (You've no doubt seen it in the news recently.) In a system that rewards teachers for high standardized test scores, there are little incentives for teachers to teach in lower income schools (earning C and D grades from the FL DOE) when there is little chance of actually getting that bonus. If you are a teacher in South Florida, and you're looking for a bonus, where would you rather teach?</p>
<p>Cypress Bay- "A" rated school. 52% of 9th graders pass reading. 85% pass math. 91% pass writing.</p>
<p>Smart School (Yes, that's its real name, ironically)- "F" rated school. 10% 9th graders passed reading. 27% passed math. 69% passed writing.</p>
<p>Which school are teachers going to want a job at with their already low salaries? These statistics from the 2007 FCAT came directly from the fldoe.com database.</p>
<p>Don't get me started with these education issues. Obviously, I've been doing research of my own for a long while.</p>
<p>YouTube</a> - FCAT: How Florida Cheats its Students- Teaser Trailer</p>
<p>slawsky- i understand where you are coming from but i am a conservative when it comes to the topic at hand and while i do think UF should expand and grow within itself, for the better, it should remember the common people that made it what it is today. thats all im asking. although i did not get in, more than a couple people, to say the least, feel i belonged there so im not acting as if i wouldnt be eligible because i honestly feel i would be. i am not trying to defend myself, however, i personally am not for UF's top ten goal. it was always exclusively a florida school for the most part. but now with national championships more and more OOS students prefer UF. i am just not convinced yet, im not big on change in this department. i like the close knit place it has always been. and ive been there numerous times and the majority of my family has gone there so im not entirely clueless on the situation.</p>
<p>FCAT is the biggest garbage EVER. if you wana see standarized testing at its worst, come to florida and watch the FCAT. it just makes me mad thinking about when thats all my classes would focus on. how about you focus on preparing us for college, life, the future. thank god i was in IB</p>
<p>Teachers salaries aren't THAT low, come on now. The average teacher in Florida makes 43K. 2 married teachers bring home 85K per household, work 9 months per year, have good benefits and get other non listed perks. </p>
<p>AGAIN- STOP DRINKING the KOOL ADE. Teachers aren't poor and are well compensated for 9 months of work. Hell, I might even go to teach myself so i can do less work and have more time with my 4 year old daughter. that is if I don't get into pharm. school.</p>