How much is too much? And has too much become the norm?

<p>Exactly as the title says. This is extremely CC-esque of me, and it's actually kind of ridiculous, but how do you know when you're just doing too much work for school? Obviously if you end up getting a heart attack from sleep deprivation or having a meltdown and tearing your school down, then you've gone over the edge and it's too late to turn around. </p>

<p>Sleep is essential, and its importance is often taken for granted. Lots of kids think they're superman and can go nights and nights on end with a couple hours a night and think they can get off easy. In reality, studies show that a lack of sleep does nothing but hurt you and only a small percentage of the studying done late into the night will probably be retained. </p>

<p>And of course, we all have and need lives. A lot of kids think that they can study every single friday night, skip every dance, and only have human contact at school, and that they could make it up in college. But is that necessarily true? Is it ever worth it to sacrifice such elements of your life?</p>

<p>And is this self sacrifice becoming the standard for success? As the cliche goes, you are only young once. Maybe back then, it was interpreted as "go have some life changing experiences and enjoy your youth." But has it transformed into "try to learn as much as you can before you grow old and fart all your knowledge out?" All around me, I always see these great students who did so much and so well get rejected by so many schools. It's a scary thought, because no matter how many As you get, no matter how good you are at a sport, there is always someone who can do both. And to me, that's just not human.</p>

<p>I'm a lucky guy. My parents try not to pressure me. Unfortunately, all the pressure on me comes from within. It helps sometimes, but it's mostly self destructive. I'm gonna have to look into getting rid of it. Anyways, I'm one of the few students at my school who isn't driven insane by college. I would honestly be happy at any college, as long as I have the chance to learn from a great teacher. But I do understand that if you want a great education, well, you have to earn it. I love learning, I love history, English, chemistry, psychology. Therefore, I took them as APs. I definitely want to do all of them, and the only way I can do them is by doing them all this year. I also want to learn sign language, but unfortunately, I don't have transportation and maybe that would be a little too crazy.</p>

<p>I'm also not much of a procrastinator, but there is just SO MUCH homework. I get so little sleep on a consistent basis. And on top of that, I have to wake up early because I have PE in the mornings. I have very little time for fun, and I often come home directly from school, take a little break, and then start my homework. I often have to skip meals, like lunch, or sometimes I have to eat late at night. All I do is sit, and I definitely need more exercise. Luckily, at the moment, I have an excuse because I have an injury that's taken away the full mobility of one of my legs, and it won't heal for a few months. But seriously, even though I love all these classes, I'm afraid it's hurting me. I mean, sometimes I get these weird pains in just my left arm, and I remember hearing that people get that in their left arms and shoulders before suffering from heart attacks.</p>

<p>So anyways, I doubt many of you read all of that, but to understand this fully, you probably should read through it all. So to you, what is too much and how do you know? And has too much become the standard?</p>

<p>And just for clarification, I'm not whining about hard work or expecting praise or anything like that. I have a feeling someone's going to misinterpret this as something bad on my part and start ripping me to shreds or something haha</p>

<p>Depends what you mean by standard. Standard standard, top 10% standard and CC standard are all very different things.</p>

<p>Personally, I think you are doing too much. </p>

<p>I share a bunch of the feelings you have, but you need to sit down and calm down. You should not skip meals (i’m lucky because my mom gets insanely ****ed at me when I do, and i will usually do if nobody reminds me) and take 1 night off (fri-sun, of course) and just hang out with friends. Last year I was on the verge of collapse due many many stresses affecting me at the same time (ulnar nerve dystrophy…or at least i thought, basically carpal tunnel but other side of the arm, insomnia forcing me down to 4 hrs a night, being dissatisfied with a 4.0 gpa (we count A+s) + a few demons from my past). The ability to take a break is a powerful one.</p>

<p>I think self sacrifice has been defined as success though. Without it and hard work, most overachievers would be unable to achieve anything. However, one must draw a line (at one’s limits- some people’s just happen to much higher than others, so they end up fairly well adjusted despite an inhuman amount of work… the key is to determine your limits, reach that limit so you can be the best that you can be, and you will be surprised, it is often higher than you think, and then make sure you don’t go over it).</p>

<p>However, no offense, 4 APs honestly isn’t that much…yes, lots of hw, but very attainable. Take a deep breath, take the next friday off, do absolutely nothing school related, you’ll feel fine.</p>

<p>However, I disagree on the inability to retain late-night knowledge. Studies have shown that knowledge gained right before sleeping is usually imprinted. I may be a bit biased though, because basically all my studying comes then.</p>

<p>I don’t think the “go have some…enjoy your youth” has changed to “try to learn…”. Rather, I think the emphasis is still on #1, with a larger emphasis on the knowledge so one can accomplish everything one wants to do later on in life.</p>

<p>How much is too much? If you are breaking down and crying, that is probably too much (believe me, that is totally possible). I find that the body can get used to the stress as long as you release it every so often.</p>

<p>So, in conclusion…you’ll be fine!!!</p>

<p>And with that, I stop procrastinating from my homework (holy ***** I have an APUSH test tomorrow!) and bid you good night.</p>

<p>Damn, I need to study.</p>

<p>Ok…I read all of that and I agree. I’m baffled by as to how so many people can run on three hours of sleep and still maitain 5.0 GPAs. All of my friends stay up past midnight doing homework, sometimes until 4am or later. This is ridiculous to me. Ok…so I don’t have a 5.0, but I manage to get all A’s except in math(stupid math!) with a good amount of sleep:) I’m not sure if it’s even effective to stay up late, but then again, I have NEVER pulled an all nighter so I wouldn’t know. I think too much would be when it starts impacting your grades. If you have too much work, you need to reduce it, otherwise you will suffer more than you would without it. I oddly have this same problem. Hmm…now if you will excuse me, I have to get back to studying for four tests, my oral presentation, and writing a 10 page study guide!:((all due tomorrow…ugg)</p>

<p>4 hrs a sleep and a 5.0 GPA is pretty attainable… 3 is pushing it.</p>

<p>Never ever pull an all-nighter. Never worth it.</p>

<p>im taking 5 ap’s this year (3 core ones). im averaging about 5 hours of sleep per night. this cant go on for long. one day i came home and literally crashed for a couple hours. it was not pretty, to say the least. i dont know how much longer i can do this, but i know if i fight the fight and survive the wave rushing over me, itll benefit me in the future. i just dont like the present (sigh) ;(</p>

<p>Most kids don’t do this you know. [The</a> Myth of the Overscheduled Child - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574360771531703210.html]The”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574360771531703210.html)</p>

<p>But for this discussion, I’ll stick to “standard” CC students. It might be hype pushing us or parents, but in most cases I think we’re pushing ourselves. I go to school, I take all APs, I either go to quiz team for a while or come home for a tiny bit and go quickly to ballet, come home again and do homework. Friday is for recovery, rest. Even if I wanted to, I couldn’t stay out late; I have to tutor in the morning.
I called my friend last night, and I was sort of thinking about this, and I told him “I always think I’ll go to college and then I’ll have fun, but I’ll probably get there and be just like this. I’ll graduate and I’ll think I’ll be more fun then, but I probably won’t do it then. I’ll probably just keep thinking about the future, waiting for a moment that never comes because I never make it come.” And he told me that he wanted me to have fun, to be fun. And really, really happy.
The thing is making it happen. If we ever want to make something non-academic of ourselves, we can’t wait for a free moment, we need to make one. </p>

<p>I’m having a horrible week, but stuff’s happened that makes me think even a seemingly interminable thing is great.</p>

<p>Time management. It’s all it is.</p>

<p>Hypocritical, as I epic fail at time management in terms of productivity, but I can be certain of one thing: I never ever become pressured due to schoolwork, and never have lost sleep or anything like that due to schoolwork. Ever. I sleep 8 hours a day ish on weekdays, 10ish on weekends. Without Exception.</p>

<p>I’m a junior with the toughest courseload I can manage for my school, and I rarely spend more than an hour and a half at home doing all of schoolwork (hw, etc) daily, if ever. I do a lot of work at school, pay attention (this is something that has changed this year; I actually try to listen in class now), and use those “extra 10 minutes left behind class” to finish a whole subject’s worth of hw, and stuff. It’s not that I don’t socialize; I have plenty of that and I’m generally considered a social person; it’s that I use every minute of my spare time I can to do my hw.</p>

<p>I never have trouble with homework because I’ve always hated it. Paradoxically, this leads me to approach hw along the thoughts of I’m gonna get this over with ASAP, making me work about 4x as fast and in turn more productive…strange, I know. One of the “benefits” that I have gotten over the years of being incredibly lazy is the ability to rush through things and finish something incredibly fast.</p>

<p>Of course, sometimes the quality of it diminishes - but what’s the worth in spending 5 hours for a single hw assignment, or repeating 10 problems of the same kind? Lots of times high school hw is useless (at least in the cases I’ve seen), and I find speed to be just as important as quality. </p>

<p>If you do in fact work productively, rather quickly, and still lag behind a lot, then you probably need to readjust your schedule according to your abilities.</p>

<p>The CC norm is definitely not healthy. It creates burnout. People need to realize that getting into college is important but certainly not the most important aspect of your life you need to focus on. </p>

<p>I’m guessing most people here want to be highly successful doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc. In order to do this you will need to go to some type of grad school. Will a student coming from Yale have an advantage over someone coming from UMD (my state school)? Absolutely. However will a 3.0 at Yale get you in over a 4.0 at UMD? No. And then, once you graduate from school you’ll be getting a job. Your degree will be important at that point. But in 5 years it will be completely useless. By the time you are 35, no potential employers will care about your schooling. Your boss won’t care either. It will be all about your professional career at that point. </p>

<p>So where you go to school will slightly affect how you start your career. But from there everything is even. Those thousands of hours studying will no longer matter. It will be all about how skilled you are at your profession and how hard you work. Stop ruining your childhood with your head in books. That extra hour a day of homework won’t make or break you. At that point it will all be about your internal drive and genetic characteristics that put you into elite status.</p>

<p>Learn to figure out what matters on an assignment. Much of what you get is probably busywork. Put in effort on subjects that interest you, assignments that demand critical thought, and classes in which you struggle. Otherwise, just skim through and offer canned responses. Tell the teachers what they want to hear and you will get a good grade. Doing this won’t fascinate you intellectually, but that’s what self-studies are for.</p>

<p>Although some of you are making valid points here - time management certainly is key for the busy overachievers of CC - I still think that, in some cases, there really isn’t enough time to do everything one must in one’s life AND get a decent amount of sleep.</p>

<p>Case in point: me (and many other kids I know for that matter)

  • I have school until 2:30
  • I sometimes have a club meeting after school, but everyday I have my sport that will allow me to be home by 5 (if we have a practice, that is - if a game, it’s much, much later… basically my sport takes 3-4 hours out of my day, EVERY day)
  • I get home from my sports event/whatever, take a shower, eat dinner… by then, if it’s a day in which I’ve only had a practice, it’s past 7:00
  • With homework and college apps piling up, it’s rare that I get in bed before 11:30… which is bad, because I have to get up at 6:30.</p>

<p>I don’t know what is too much, but I definitely know how “The Government” feels.</p>

<p>“Normal” Week</p>

<p>Monday-Home at 9 pm
Tuesday-Home at 8:30 pm
Wednesday-Home at 9 pm
Thursday-Home at 5pm
Friday-Home at 5pm
Saturday-4 hours of bowling
Sunday-Church: 10-12, Bells+Choir+Youth: 4-8:30</p>

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I know that even with time management you guys have busy schedules. That is exactly my point.</p>

<p>As far as I’m concerned, you chose that schedule - [assuming] you wanted to do sports, you wanted to challenge yourself by taking a difficult courseload, you wanted to do these activities, etc.</p>

<p>If you can’t really handle it or don’t feel like you have enough time, perhaps you really do need to readjust your priorities and think whether it’s truly unrealistic that you have such a schedule.</p>

<p>I’ve never understood why (except in the few cases where their parents forced them to and the like, which rarely seems to happen) people consistently complain about the entire schedule, classes, activities, and etc, when it’s a conscious choice they made.</p>

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This part is subjective.</p>

<p>dont sleep late regularly</p>

<p>the loss in intellectual function isn’t worth it. I sleep at ten even if I have a few homework papers/problems left… I will usually try to cram a little at breakfast or before its due</p>

<p>sleep is really important</p>

<p>i have never stayed up later than 11pm studying and that’s pushing it for me.
I’m a believer that if you study correctly then you don’t need to spend a large number of hours studying.</p>

<p>It’s ridiculous. My D excels in school-but I’ve never pressured or pushed. I make sure she has adequate sleep-if not an EC would be the first to go. The children and teens that are pressured will burn out or crack later.</p>

<p>So glad to find this thread!</p>

<p>I’m a parent whose son is already showing signs of burnout a week into school.</p>

<p>Sports are required at his school (seems common in prep schools).</p>

<p>He is in 9th – 2 honors classes, latin II, 1 dual enroll class & 2 “regular” classes.</p>

<p>School til 3:20
Sports practice/home game til 5:15.
Home by 5:45
Music 1 night/week - need to be out by 6:15 for that
1 EC 1 night/week that is 6:15 -9:15; this same EC takes up some full weekends as well</p>

<p>Basically – just more things to do then time & he isn’t even working yet! (Paid job will eventually be a must)</p>

<p>His time consuming EC is very important on a personal level – As a parent, I think this EC is worth it b/c it will look good for college app & is helping him focus some career goals - so I’d rather see an honors class get dropped before this EC – however his school just started to weight grades…</p>

<p>Our family has decided to just hold firm & revisit mid-October. Maybe some of this is just getting into a routine.</p>

<p>Honestly, what is the attraction to sports? (I see it everywhere, both on CC and in my school; not pointing toward anyone in particular)</p>

<p>I tend not to have much sympathy for students who complain about being too stressed, having too much work, not getting good grades, etc, and yet spend three or four hours per day on a sport. How is the sport helping them in the long term? Sure, it builds teamworking skills, but those can be built in other, less time-consuming, and ultimately more educational ways. </p>

<p>In essence, sports are leisure. Sure, it’s important to play hard and have fun, but work hard first. Get the good grades, do the extracurriculars, learn to your potential, go above and beyond, and then have some fun. Students in China and Japan cream America’s butt in academics; they must know something.</p>

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I missed the content of your post when I added my 2¢ last night, but I absolutely agree with all of this. I couldn’t have said it better myself :slight_smile:

I also agree with this. *In my experience<a href=“I%20realize%20this%20may%20be%20very%20different%20for%20each%20individual”>/i</a>, organized sports waste a LOT of time. I can get in a good run up the steep hill near my house in 30-40 minutes or get the same amount of exercise on a stationary bike in the same amount of time. It keeps me healthy and stress-free while avoiding the huge amount of time it can take to do a sport after school. Of course, this approach only works if you are motivated by competing against the clock rather than against other athletes.</p>

<p>To further the point, I know some people who seem to LIVE in the pool (why is it always swimmers who are this dedicated?). They still go through 5 APs and a social schedule without burning out or getting overly stressed. It really does come down to what Invoyable talked about above - do not waste a moment in school and only put in real effort if you want to. I look at it this way: I will put in the same amount of effort as the educational system does. If they give me a challenging assignment that clearly took thought, I will give it my full attention. Busywork does not deserve the same treatment.</p>

<p>First. Don’t ever skip meals. That’s pretty stupid.
Second. Drink water.
Third. Don’t get sick.</p>

<p>After that, pick weeks where you can sleep late and still grind through the day, then recover on friday/saturday and go back to a normal sleep schedule.</p>

<p>Save busywork for grind sessions.
Do not spend unnecessary time on HW.
Take time out of class to do HW, but don’t do this in every little bit of time roflmao, socialize lolz.</p>

<p>Do a sport.
Do ECs.
Do competitions.
Do stuff.</p>

<p>Attempt to understand what is being taught and apply it. Do not attempt to memorize anything that is not required to be memorized. Do memorization first or last, depending on subject, do not attempt to memorize stuff in the midst of understanding things.</p>

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Epic fail. Sports are as valid and important as academics, grades, and anything else that you feel are more important.</p>

<p>It’s not the sports; it’s the balance. If you do indeed need to practice 3 hours daily for sports, consider, um, not taking 7 AP’s + 3 college courses + 15 self-studies while simultaneously taking 102 SAT practice tests daily and going to 40 clubs where you also have to fulfill 5 ^ 800 community service hours on the side.</p>

<p>I honestly spend about an hour on schoolwork daily, as I’ve mentioned, and get by fine…lol. Before complaining, take a good look at yourself and your schedule…</p>

<p>And the bolded part, I agree with.</p>