<p>It has been established that a student with a Florida Prepaid Tuition Plan is treated as an in-state student. UVAorbust posted a portion of an emal from a Dean at UF that specifies just that. </p>
<p>I know quite a few high stat South Florida kids, 32+ ACT scores, who were not accepted to UF over the past few years. It happens, high stats are no guarantee.</p>
<p>I would like to hear more from in state and out-of-state students that were accepted/denied that also marked the box stating that they have Florida Prepaid. I hope there is not any correlation between Florida Prepaid and acceptance rates. :(</p>
<p>HarrietH, you told me to look at the results thread, so I did. Given that this thread is discussing a white student with a 33 ACT, I decided to list the scores and races for each applicant admitted with a significantly lower score. I drew my line at 30 for the ACT and 2000 for the SAT. This is not a scientifically rigorous analysis (I would need much more information, and rejections would have to be reported at the same rate as acceptances). Regardless, here are my results. Remember, the 25th-75th percentile for ACT is 26-30, for SAT (CR) it is 570-670, and for SAT (M) it is 600-690 (writing not reported officially). Calling that SAT score 1170-1360 is flawed, but it will have to do. That roughly (ROUGHLY) translates to 1760-2040 (all three). If SAT and ACT were both given, I chose the comparably higher, or the ACT (for best comparison with UVAorBust) if they aligned as equivalent.</p>
<p>Accepted Students in the 25th-75th range</p>
<p>Asians (South, East, and Southeast)
28
29</p>
<p>Whites (European, North African, Middle Eastern)
26
27 (x3)
1850
28 (x4)
1890
29 (x6)
1950
1960
30 (x2)</p>
<p>Under Represented Minorities
1760 (African American)
27 (Hispanic)
28 (Hispanic)
30 (x3 – one African American, two Hispanics)
2000 (Hispanic)</p>
<p>Accepted Students below the 25th-75th range</p>
<p>Asians
25</p>
<p>Whites
23 (x2)
25
1720</p>
<p>Under Represented Minorities
23 (unnamed “URM”)</p>
<p>So, as you can see, from the sample you indicated as “proof” of your point, there are six people who were accepted with scores below the 25th percentile. Of those, ~16.6% were Asian (harmed by AA), ~66.6% were White (harmed, but less), and ~16.6% were under-represented minorities (helped). Given the US population (not to mention Florida’s larger Hispanic population), this would put Whites where they should be, minorities other than Asians as under-represented in the lower scorers, and Asians over-represented. </p>
<p>Of those that were either regular scorers or low scorers, ~33.3% of Asians were low scorers, ~14.3% of under-represented minorities were low scorers, and ~16.6% of Whites were low scorers. (This does not include high-scorers. Remember, that would change the numbers.)</p>
<p>Was this statistically sound? No. I would have needed much more data and a much larger, random sample
Note: I am not calling these results accurate or representative of the whole. Nor were my methods ideal, as I was severely limited in data.
What this the data you called “proof”? Yes, yes it was. Either it is too little to draw a conclusion from, or it is on my side. I’d go with the former, but the latter is open for you to believe.</p>
<p>Oh, and before you say test scores aren’t everything… I already said it several times. True holistic review looks at the whole application.</p>
<p>Just a couple of points. While someone with prepaid may be considered in state for tuition purposes (e.g they will be charged in-state rates), that doesn’t mean that they will be considered in-state for admission purposes. </p>
<p>Second I cannot imagine that there is any discrimination between prepaid and non-prepaid students in terms of admissions. When it comes to disbursing the funds, it’s the same amount of money that the state is sending from prepaid, regardless of the destination (uf or an out of state school)</p>
<p>But according to the email sent from the Dean at UF, the school does not use IS or OOS in their decisions at all.</p>
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It could also be interpreted as them not discriminating against their students. Not their applicants, he said students.</p>
<p>I really don’t see what the difference is in that wording. Either way, it says they will not discriminate against OOS students. I personally believe that would include their applications. Anyways, I’ve tried calling the admissions office a couple of times now and it has been busy every time. Do you guys think emailing would be fine?</p>
<p>Poeticlicense-R U sure about the $?. Our contract that was purchased over 18 years ago (some of the more recently purchased contracts may not be even this amendable-some I have heard only give back original investment (say $5,000) and 3% interest if you go out of state or private)states that we are reimbursed for the full tuition if it is an instate public university. If we go out of state (or private) we only get back “an average” dollar amount per year based on the cost of ALL Florida Public Universities. Wouldn’t it behoove the state to not accept kids with Florida Prepaid to the most expensive Florida public University(UF)? Wouldn’t they save money if they sent the students with Florida Prepaid to a less expensive Florida Public University (or even out-of-state or private)? Just asking…</p>
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Yes, it would be better financially for them.</p>
<p>But why? I think we’ve seen that the state of Florida is not good at making money. And why would they try to screw people over on a program that they don’t have to have? This isn’t standard for every state. It’s like saying it behooves the state to only give out 20 bright futures scholarships a year. It wasn’t made to make money, it was made to educate people.</p>
<p>BillyMc-You make a good point. I do not know how long the program (Florida Prepaid)has been instituted (at least 18 years), but is it possible that they are just now seeing the ramifications (costs)? Could they be lookining at the pre-paid box and justifying that the student will still be “educated” whether they go to UF or UCF (with UCF being the less expensive option for the state)? Again, I do hope this is not the case…</p>
<p>I don’t really see any evidence of it, and I certainly hope it’s not true, too.</p>
<p>As reassuring as a sense of closure might be, many rejected applicants will never know the reason for their decision. They can guess, though, while we have far less information to make educated guesses on their application.</p>
<p>I just have to wonder if UVAorBust had not marked the Florida Prepaid box if he would have been accepted? From what UVAorBust is telling us…</p>
<p>I would think it more likely that he simply wasn’t told the truth, or maybe there was something in the essays? I don’t know. Maybe he can get things clarified soon, though they won’t tell him why he was rejected.</p>
<p>I do know people with similar (and people with lower) stats than him who did get in, though, while checking that box. Though my family is lower class, I lived in an upper-middle class area. Almost everyone I knew had Florida prepaid, including pretty much everyone I knew who got accepted. I know a couple people with higher stats than him and many with lower who were accepted with Florida pre-paid. I do not know how UF looks at it, though.</p>
<p>Cost of UF vs UCF or another state school is nominal, I mean we are talking about a few hundred dollars. I really don’t think that there is a master plan to discriminate against pre-paid students because the state will have to pay a little less for another school or OOS. And FL prepaid and the state of FL and individual universities do not operate as a single entitity. </p>
<p>And whoever said that the dean said that they don’t use in-state vs OOS in decisions, well, that may be true, but the universities are legally mandated to fill 90% of their chairs with FL residents. That holds true at the undergrad and graduate level.</p>
<p>Great standardized test scores don’t mean everything. I had a friend that asked an UF admissions person about what aspect of the application weighs more than the other, and inevitably, standardized test scores weigh 3rd to against things like GPA. I guess the bottom line is that it’s all about being an all around student (great EC’s, GPA, etc.). Did you have not so stellar EC’s?</p>
<p>Honestly, I’m very surprised about your results. I had a friend who applied (and she’s even in state) with 28 ACT and didn’t get in. I got in this year with 25 ACT. Though I am so, so grateful, I am beyond confused with UF admissions right now.</p>
<p>If I were you, I would talk to UF, or write a letter of appeal explaining your situation.</p>
<p>chinadoll, I didn’t expect to get in solely off my ACT, that would be ignorant.</p>
<p>I do not think it is just a few hundred dollars. See link below and compare in-state UF and in-state FSU…I know many of the other Florida public universities are even less expensive than FSU… </p>
<p>[First-Year</a> Undergraduate Tuition and Fees of Selected Public Universities - Office of Institutional Research and Assessment](<a href=“http://oira.unc.edu/first-year-undergraduate-tuition-and-fees-of-selected-public-universities.html]First-Year”>http://oira.unc.edu/first-year-undergraduate-tuition-and-fees-of-selected-public-universities.html)</p>
<p>^^^That is not correct. Check the Cost of Attendance pages from each school, UF Tuition is $5020, while FSU is $5112.</p>
<p>All Florida state schools ask out of state applicants if they have FL PRE-PAID. Check out the applications.</p>
<p>There’s lots of schools covered by PrePaid in Florida. The kid down the street had a 4.7 and stellar SAT’s and great ECs and not accepted to UF. He lives in FL. He ended up at UCF. Apply to other FL state schools each app is around $30. You don’t have to go right after HS. Your prepaid is still good for a number of years. Take a trip to Europe or South America. Go on a mission trip. Do something fun and reapply to schools after.
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