I would like to say that a majority of OOS students are brilliant students that could succeed at any university. At orientation, the topic of ACT scores came up within OOS students, and every single person (roughly 10 people) had a 34+ on the ACT or similar on the SAT. I personally had a 35 on the ACT and our GPAs were comparable if we had a sound system. The level of Michigan’s prestige is rising exponentially.
OOS likely has better stats on average than in-state.
However, UMich may feel compelled to keep the in-state freshmen count high so that they can show that they are providing opportunity to in-state kids.
That plus the fact that most regular transfers would be MI residents may indeed mean that GT is offered more to OOS kids who don’t meet the OOS standard (though that may still be above the in-state standard; and of course, standards differ by all different measures under holistic admissions anyway).
@Hawkeye. My daughter said the same thing. Except for her and her fellow nurses (her 30 puts her in the top 25% in nursing) everybody’s scores she talked to from OOS were 33-35.
@maya54 It’s Hawkace not Hawkeye. Haha.
I’m in Engineering, which might been a big factor in my analysis…
This is not a surprise that OOS has higher average admission stat. This is reflected by the big difference in admission rates between in state and OOS students. It seems the CoE has a lower in state ratio than the whole UMich too.
@hawkace. Oops! Sorry. Lol!!
@bclintonk is there some kind of practical reason top 5% is so much superior to top 10%? Consider the other factors i listed before you answer please. For instance, those other profiles you list also give preferential treatment to URMs, which undoubtedly lowers the median, as did UM back in 2001.
I mean i got into UM but i don’t measure my self worth by others whom i’ll never meet getting a slightly lower test score.
“It’s Hawkace not Hawkeye. Haha.”
Thank goodness!
I don’t put that much stock in ACT scores myself, but others do, including US News. It’s often taken as a proxy for the academic capability of the student body. If you buy that logic, then top 10% is very good, but top 5% is stellar. You earlier wrote:
I’m merely pointing out that, by the numbers, Michigan’s entering class is already “Ivy quality,” but you want to pooh-pooh the strides it’s made in getting there. It’s no mean feat to raise your 25th percentile from top 10% in the nation to top 5% in the nation. Michigan has done that, putting itself on a par with most Ivies (Harvard is still slightly higher with an ACT middle 50% of 31-35) despite needing to fill an entering class many times the size of the Ivies, and despite not having the resources at present to meet full need for OOS students. This latter limitation is one the university plans to address through its current capital campaign. Then, look out!
The campaign’s already been in effect. I got full need-based aid as an OOS transfer. 
Vanderbilt offered me the same aid, but I know Michigan’s student body includes Vanderbilt’s and then some. I chose mostly based on research opportunities though.
^^^^That’s great to hear eyo777. As this occurs more often in future, the Michigan faithful need to remind others here on CC of this fact. I’m really tired of reading about how Michigan doesn’t help OOS students very well with financial aid.
That has happened for a while for low income family. There were two sharp fall in aids at ~$35k and ~$60k family income. I guess the OOS aid threshold will be pushed upward gradually.
@Hawkace i cannot believe that on your first weekend here you all sat around bragging about ACT scores. I’m saying this only for your benefit, not to be confrontational: High school is over and no one here will be impressed. The entering class has accomplished nothing here, and it’ll take you all at least a year of hard work to earn your chops.
If you want to discuss what it’s like where you’re from, great, that might even be an interesting convo. High school grades, not so much
@bclintonk meh US news is a joke, seriously respected in academic circles only by clueless teenagers, parents, and guidance counselors. The schools themselves game it all the time with transfer admits and encouraging kids with no chance to apply. It’s heavily tipped in favor of small private schools.
I was not aware ACT scores are similar to yale, but i believe the ivys use a more holistic admissions. They favor URM and reject tons of asians with high test scores due to crappy ECs/interviews. For those kids, it’s probably easier getting into UM than yale.
Some of the ivys also require SAT II tests, decreasing the likelihood applicants will do well in both, and they like to ‘sculpt’ their classes, even if it means taking a kid with 31 ACT over 36. Face it, the ivys usually have the first pick, and if they have similar ACT median to UM, it’s deliberate on their part.
Heck, if harvard wanted to, they could admit only foreigners and it would only increase the academic credentials of their class. They choose not to
Can anyone provide a rough estimate of the out of state acceptance rate, the out of state college of engineering acceptance rate, and the college of engineering acceptance rate in general? Unless there are already official stats posted on it. Thanks! 
@steellord123, I agree with much of what you say in post #33. Just a few minor points:
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You don’t need to lecture me on what junk US News rankings are. Few posters on CC have been as critical or as vociferous as I have been in pointing out the many flaws. But even many people who place little stock in the overall US News rankings pay close attention to some parts of the underlying data, and entering class SAT/ACT scores are widely used as a proxy for the academic credentials of the student body. Many colleges and universities pay close attention to this metric as well, for two reasons. First, although they generally dismiss US News rankings as junk, many, perhaps most, feel they have no choice but to play the game. And second, for lack of a better metric, they do look at standardized test scores to gauge how well they’re doing relative to their peers, and relative to their own past standards, in attracting a quality class. (I have actually talked to university presidents and provosts about this; they don’t obsess about it constantly, but they do pay close attention).
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I’m not sure it’s fair to say the Ivies use a “more holistic” admissions process. Michigan also uses a holistic process. The major difference would be that Michigan is now legally barred from considering race. Also, while Michigan does consider legacy, my impression is it’s a bigger factor at some of the Ivies.
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The only Ivies that require SAT Subject Tests from all applicants are Harvard and Dartmouth. Cornell requires them in some schools/programs but not others. The rest either say they’re recommended but not required (with Yale explicitly stating that an applicant who doesn’t submit them won’t be disadvantaged), or require them from applicants submitting the SAT but not from applicants submitting the ACT with writing.
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I don’t agree that “the Ivys usually have the first pick.” HYP are in a super-elite group along with Stanford and MIT that often, but not always, have the first pick. The rest of the Ivies are all very good schools, distinguishable from a group of non-Ivy elite private research universities only by virtue of their members in a particular athletic conference, which in the eyes of some starry-eyed HS kids and their parents confers on them a special cachet, but most people aren’t that gullible. Lots of Southerners actually prefer a Duke, Emory, or Vanderbilt to a Brown, Dartmouth or Cornell, and lots of Midwesterners also prefer a Chicago or Northwestern. There are also many stellar applicants in every state outside the Northeast who actually prefer their in-state flagship and never bother to apply to any of the Ivies. That is especially true in states like California, Michigan, Virginia, and North Carolina that have outstanding flagship, but I also know for a fact it’s also true here in Minnesota where I now live, and in neighboring Wisconsin, and there’s pretty good statistical evidence it’s also true in, say, Nebraska, where hardly anyone ever applies to the Ivies; most of the very best students the state produces just want to go to Lincoln and cheer for the 'Huskers.
I don’t appreciate your tone. We were eating in a dining hall talking about our backgrounds when ACT scores came up. We weren’t bragging. Before you accuse and assume, get your facts straight. I know that high school is over. I don’t live in the past and I don’t need a poster from CC to tell me what I need to refrain from saying.
^^^^ and the nursing students like my daughter were discussing it with people in terms of how it’s easier for them to get in OOS with lower scores ( 28 is the average ACT for nurses). They make up just 142 of the entering class so their scores have little effect on the numbers.
What would be an estimate of OOS acceptance rate be…?