<p>I'm interested in the topic, just not certain exchanges and posters.</p>
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You complain about Bush and waste 3 billion dollars on stem cell-research, while ignoring your failing 49th ranked school system, your public debt, and how the large influx of immigrants is making your state un-runnable.</p>
<p>The same applies to Berkeley and most of the people here. You live in your own little liberal bubble, while the rest of America moves on.</p>
<p>The same applies to Berkeley and most of the people here. You live in your own little liberal bubble, while the rest of America moves on.
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<p>Noooooo</p>
<p>The face of George W. <em>beep</em> is overlapping here!</p>
<p>"G & S: definately not the former. Who knows about the latter?"</p>
<p>So, its the topic you're interested in? The above post sure raises some interesting points about the topic.</p>
<p>You're right. I'll stop being a jerk if you will.</p>
<p>The California public school system is ranked 43 now among the states.</p>
<p>True, the California school system is much worse than it once was, but so what? It's a huge state and the top few % of graduates, at least, are as bright and well-educated as one could ask. Add in some number of private school students and some out of staters who don't care about the absurdly expensive out of state tuition, and you have a huge, talented applicant base.</p>
<p>From your name, it seems you are neither a gentleman or scholar. You should be happy that I am on this board warning intelligent people to stay away for Berkeley. That just means there will be more of your kind attending in the future; unintelligent, bigoted, and close-minded students with which you can share your miserable existence with.</p>
<p>Ok, so I'm the bigoted, close minded student? You, the one that hates minorites and takes a negative view about everything, you're the open minded one here? That's an interesting point of view. I thrived at Cal. What have you done? I've dealt with the same things you have, yet I've been able to make things happen for myself and enjoy my experience here to the fullest. You've whined and made excuses for why your life sucks. So yeah, in a way its good that your here to scare people off. Cal is tough, and if you're weak minded and can't deal with the challenges of it then you shouldn't be here. If, like liberalcensors (aka right wing nut job), you don't like being around people of other races, and you don't have the drive or brain power to make it through the scary classes here then go somewhere else. However, if you want a life changing experience and personal growth, come to Cal and see if you have what it takes. Obviously liberalwhiner didn't, and I feel sorry for him. He has to go through life knowing that he wasn't strong enough to do what people like me have done.</p>
<p>i just wanted to bring up a minor point. people don't usually start calling people names unless they know they're wrong and the other person is right.</p>
<p>anywho, keep up the good work gentlemanandscholar, i enjoy reading all the debates you seem to always get yourself into =D</p>
<p>I don't condsider saying that liberal censor is a right wing nut job "name calling." I think he'd be happy with that moniker.</p>
<p>oh no, i was refering to liberalcensor's "unintelligent, bigoted, and close-minded" part...</p>
<p>not you =]</p>
<p>With all this talk of intelligence, I couldn't help myself...</p>
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<p>:D Sorry, it was just begging to be corrected.</p>
<p>Buddy, in the dorm thriving liberal arts colleges I mentioned, there is still segregation (that I witnessed and that I heard about). There are dorms- what percentage of undergrads live on campus? Half? I have no idea. Anyone know? Could you link to some site showing the peer assessment raking for Berkeley from US News (by the way, one system, although common and widely used, often looked at as very flawed). </p>
<p>Liberal, I couldnt imagine that many schools like Berkeley dont have similar problems. Im not disagree with you here. Which ones? Well, thats another story. All the UCs are different from one another, in their locations and atmospheres at the very least. They have similarities, sure. They may have similar problems. Ive only taken classes at two UCs, and been on the campus of three often, but I dont go around talking about the problems of the other schools because I dont really know about them. Maybe you feel that you do, thats fine. I question whether you do or not. When you say you Ive already pointed out that other large state universities don't have the same problems Cali does . . . I say you sort of talked about Texas and one other system. I agree with you, for some people, perhaps many people, paying extra to go to a particular private school, or private school in general, might be best. Sometimes aid makes this cheaper, sometimes not. </p>
<p>Schools are often very different during the summer as they are during the school year, from weather to students to teachers. Many students go to study at other schools during the summer. I took college classes while in high school at my local UC. Friends here, and my dad back in the day, went to Harvard over the summer for novelty and because they could. Many of the professors are imported, and many of the students are, too. I think it is possible to know things about other schools, even if you have a lot of exposure with only one school. However, I think most of the time, people give opinions with not only little to no contact with a school, but with most of their information coming from few second or third hand sources.</p>
<p>Im sure many people feel that part of your experiences is similar to theirs. However, most of what you say is stretched into hyperbolic absurdity. You generally over exaggerate and over generalize.</p>
<p>I think that people with similarities gravitate towards each other. I dont think this is particularly true or flagrant at UCB.</p>
<p>Whoever said that UCB is a GPA whore. Find any elite college that puts that much weight on class rank and GPA(and has 99% of students who were in the top 10% of their class should look at the GPAs of incoming students to many colleges. And the top 10% thing, how important that is, Im not sure. California is a unique state operating like none other, and the UC system operates like no other higher education system like none other because of this. </p>
<p>Needadvice, you said The clubs are out there. I get what you mean. It bugs me too, but you have to deal with it. I was just surprised that there was so much racial tension at Berkeley. I've actually learned more racist words here than I did when I lived in another state. What racial tension are you talking about? When you say so much, relative to what? What were you used to? What have you witnessed? I ask because I havent seen anything racist (more majorist prejudice than anything else (OMG, legal studies/mass comm./psych majors are idiots, liberal arts majors are dumb, science/engineering majors are the smartest, ect).</p>
<p>Oh, by the way liberal, on some thread (I forget which one) you posted what you thought groupthink was. I think your definition is too narrow. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_think%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_think</a> Read that. I think you ignore that most group think is unintentional and not sought by those that perform it. I think theres more to group think than you defined (and that what you see isnt really groupthink, but something else).</p>
<p>I like this conversation method (and not insult throwing). Let's keep it up. I commend you for switching.</p>
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<p>Well, as a social science major, I have definitely noticed "majorist prejudice as well. The other day I was joking around with someone and they said "I'm not stupid, I'm a science major." As if that means anything to me? Hmmm. Anyone can get into any major practically...but this is somewhat off topic. Let's just say practically all freshman come in as "pre-med" yet only 10% are going to make it, and even less will graduate med school. </p>
<p>Regarding the racial tension bit, I was referring to self-segregation. Hence, when I took Statistics 21 for example, there were 5 Caucasians in my class, 5 African Americans, and the rest were Asians. literally people sat with their own race. I had never known the word 'FOB" before I came here, and I had never seen people try to hard to disown their heritage to fit in with Americans. For example I know someone who basically tried to get rid of their accent, dyed their hair, etc. etc. to look more Caucasian. Also, "FOBs' don't like hanging out with "ABAs" etc. etc. Before I came to California, I had no idea what either was. </p>
<p>Hence, by racial tension, I meant a somehow natural racial segregation and emphasis on race. I just don't get it. I mean, why do people have to keep mentioning race all the time here? like in speeches on Sproul for example, petitions, etc. etc. Who really gives a crap?</p>
<p>Oh, premeds. What's the 10% bit? We can say that 60% or so of those that apply get into med school once it comes down to it (or something like that).</p>
<p>What's an "ABA?" I haven't seen any of the disowning, but I think many people try to do something like that- Oscar Wilde dropped his Irish accent when he went to college (I believe in England). </p>
<p>I agree, race is often overemphasized, although I don't feel I hear about it that often.</p>
<p>Well, i meant 10% as a random statistic I pulled from my rear in estimating the percentage of first-year "intended pre-meds" who actually make it to med school. Hence it includes everyone who considered med school in their first year, even those who eventually didn't major in MCB.</p>
<p>ABA=American-born Asian. </p>
<p>If you haven't seen the BBC film "Oscar Wilde," then watch it. Definitely good, not to mention Jude Law is a stunner. But yes, even now the English look down on the Irish, and the Scottish, and the Welsh for that matter, etc. Also, the Southern "posher" sounding English look down on the Northern more "common" sounding English. But this is off topic. eek.
Race is definitely overemphasized, especially in comparison to where I'm from, where I totally forgot about race. In all honesty, I practically never thought about it, and here, it's made me so conscious about it all.</p>
<p>oh, and getting into a good med school is totally different to getting into any med school in my opinion. So I'd really like to see some stats on science majors who get into good ones, or not-so-good ones...and see how they'd like to brag then. No bitterness here or anything. :)</p>
<p>OH gosh, not rear-pulled statistics.</p>
<p>I've seen Wilde. I'd warn those who are offended about homophobic images to stay away.</p>
<p>At my high school, people tended, in general, to segregate by race. There was plenty of interracial interaction, especially in class, but overall, people gravitated towards peers of similar race.</p>
<p>How good is good? Many of the students who got into no med school would love to have been accepted by any.</p>
<p>Your high school was probably a lot more diverse than mine. With only 15% max of minorities, there couldn't be that much segregation. I guess it's just natural in diverse, rather "diverse" environments. </p>
<p>Well, I'd say good is top 15 to top 20. That's just my opinion, drawing upon what I consider good in the top law schools. I don't know how many med schools there are in total, but yeah, about top 10% then (since I believe there are 200 law schools or so). Maybe my standards are too high.</p>
<p>My high school had a lot of Mexican students, many of whom spoke no English, because of its strong "Newcomers" program. It also had a good chunk of blacks and asians, but probably mostly white students. </p>
<p>Found the breakdown. last year, it was 40% Hispanic or Latino, 46% caucasian, 8% African American, 4% asian, 1% phillapino, .5% Pacific Islanders. This seems off for some reason, maybe there seemed to be more asians, fewer Hispanics, more African Americans, but that's what it says.</p>
<p>Perhaps your standards are too high. Perhaps that is a good thing.</p>