<p>Cal is ridiculous for its graduate programs. Its undergraduate school is exceptional too.</p>
<p>I would like to see the HYPSM_ term be spread more throughout. Adding Columbia just doesn't seem right. There needs to be more diversity lets say. More Westcoast schools and public school presence.</p>
<p>Caltech is a good bill however its such a tiny school with a population less than a half the freshman class of Harvard.</p>
<p>Cal is raw power.</p>
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<p>Uh, exactly. Pomona's acceptance rate is lower, and SAT scores higher than Williams, Amherst, or Swarthmore according to USNWR 2008.</p>
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<p>Pomona 18%, 1370-1520
Amherst 19%, 1330-1530
Swarthmore 19%, 1320-1530
Williams 19%, 1320-1520</p>
<p>Pomona's SAT scores are about the same as Stanford (1340-1540), and higher than any other LAC (except specialty LAC Harvey Mudd). Not as well known as HYPSM, of course, but arguably provides an equal education and options for post-graduate study.</p>
<p>Why not add Georgetown? It's the best in IR, considering its SFS program and location</p>
<p>why not just add every top 100 school on USNWR on the all-sacred, untouchable ACRONYM!! the acronym that we all worship here on CC and pay tribute to and sacrifice thousands of hours polishing its shrine, making sure it's happy, then pouring hundreds of thousands of dollars to support</p>
<p>^ Yeah but Georgetown is kinda crap for most other things.</p>
<p>^It's not <em>crap</em>. It's just not as special as say Columbia, Penn, or most top tier state schools.</p>
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Yeah but Georgetown is kinda crap for most other things.
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<p>And you say this because... ?</p>
<p>Have you seen Georgetown's rankings in anything other than IR? They don't begin to compare to HYPSM</p>
<p>sarah's dad beat me to it, but the claim that Pomona is not at the same level as Williams, Amherst, and Swarthmore is classic Northeast B S. </p>
<p>You know, there are great colleges all over the country and it really is a shame that there is such a hyper focus on the relative few in the Northeast. Good academic places there for sure, but hardly a monopoly on providing excellent undergraduate educations.</p>
<p>LOL pomona, Swathmore? On that list. Really?!</p>
<p>Listen if you have to get into a lenghty post to prove why the school should be sixth....it shouldn't be sixth. </p>
<p>This was meant to be an almost instinctive find of the missing letter. The one school that BASED ON CURRENT RECOGNITION is the unmentioned letter. Sort of how ABC cuts off but you know that whats next is D. Not a forum for you to dig up stats and try to average out an argument for your school. </p>
<p>Hate to wet the paper for some of you but it ain't Georgetown. It's not even Berkeley (which is pretty high up there and growing). Stop reading these threads as a way to plug your school/dream schools. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>It's always funny how those that don't care about reputation and status, scolding those that do, are always the first ones desperate to try and put their schools up, with the irrefutable cream of the croppe. </p>
<p>These are all fine, outstanding schools but they don't stand on that acronym. That's just fact.I'm not ashamed to say my school, while AMAZING and completely the right fit for me, is not at HYP's level nor will I delude myself with a random ranking (in the hope of proving another wrong).</p>
<p>^ So you are under the belief that the acronym should remain unchanged?</p>
<p>what about me and caltech ;)</p>
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We're talking educational quality here, not prestige.
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<p>Euh...yes we are. :confused: That's what the acronym is about! If we were going to go so esoteric with the whole thing then no one school would be at the top since learning is a different journey for everyone.</p>
<p>For god's sakes people, read the f****** disclaimer!</p>
<p>Hate to break it you NRC fans--its not everything. Berkely is highly regarded...but for undergrad you can't actually say its better than the Ivies. If you want a ranking just look a USNWR, which I believe underrates Berkley but still. Pomona is a great school, but Williams is absolutely considered the best LAC in the nation. Pomona is great, but I think by rep and name recognition its closer to a school like Bowdoin than WIlliams/Amherst..maybe thats east coast bias, but its nonetheless the perception.</p>
<p>Also this is all about prestige as the above poster said.</p>
<p>Not all about prestige, but prestige certainly gives a college clout and an enormous applicant pool</p>
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Berkely is highly regarded...but for undergrad you can't actually say its better than the Ivies. If you want a ranking just look a USNWR, which I believe underrates Berkley
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<p>Sorry, had to point this out =P</p>
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Pomona is a great school, but Williams is absolutely considered the best LAC in the nation.
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<p>By whom, the USNWR? Pomona doesn't garner as much prestige as Williams, Amherst, and Swarthmore, but it is not a second tier school in the same way that people may judge Columbia, UPenn, Cornell, etc. as second tier relative to HYPSM.</p>
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This was meant to be an almost instinctive find of the missing letter. The one school that BASED ON CURRENT RECOGNITION is the unmentioned letter. Sort of how ABC cuts off but you know that whats next is D. Not a forum for you to dig up stats and try to average out an argument for your school.
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<p>Current recognition is very, very local in nature, however.</p>
<p>Caltech is like a non-trad LAC. No dice.</p>
<p>Leave it at five. Adding a sixth is only beneficial if the acronym can stick.</p>
<p>What's the commonality of HYPSM?</p>
<p>i think either Columbia or Caltech. either way it's a C. HYPSMC !</p>