<p>.01% of 1 billion Chinese is still more than 10% of another Asian(put your favorite Asian except Indian here). Same for Indian, hence the O for ORM.</p>
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<p>I think Topeka is half correct. But I don't even know how 'this is a thing about Taiwanese' is an ignorant assertion. There is such a thing as Taiwanese, if you want it to be, just as there is a thing like the Holocaust to some but not to others. But just because your college apps list Taiwanese as an option does not mean international organizations recognize the independent status of Taiwan and the Taiwanese people. The UN uses "Taiwan, Province of China" while the International Olympic Committee uses "Chinese Taipei". The WTO unofficially uses "Chinese Taipei" as do LAX and SFO airports. Wikipedia: "The United States, Canada, the United Kingdom and Japan recognize that there is one China and that the People's Republic of China is the sole legitimate government of China. However, the United States and Japan acknowledge rather than recognize the PRC position that Taiwan is part of China."</p>
<p>So. Taiwan is on college apps because there is a de facto state of independence. Last week I was at a big picnic at a local park and I asked some kids (like age 8) what country they're from or where their parents are from. -China? -No. -Vietnam? Cambodia? -No. -Thailand? Laos? Anywhere in Southeast Asia? -No. It borders China. -Nepal? Mongolia? -No. -Where? -Tibet.
Later I saw some kid wearing a Free Tibet shirt.</p>
<p>So who knows, maybe Tibet will get on college apps eventually, because that seems to be the standard you look up to for recognition of a state.</p>
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<p>if you study the history, you wont say anything like that lol
but nvm, i dont feel like arguing :p</p>
<p>btw, Taiwan is not a country.
republic of China is.</p>
<p>You say that so matter-of-factly but never substantiate your claim. Only the Taiwanese government and a bunch of small countries like El Salvador officially consider the ROC as a country. I'd say that the term "Republic of China" is used even less than Chinese Taipei because ROC conflicts with the One China Policy directly.</p>
<p>ok i guess I'll have to refer to some history, incase ppl who dont know what they're talking about keep on ranting.</p>
<p>Republic of China was established in 1911, taking over the Ching Dynasty. In 1943(may be 1 or 2 years off) it founded the UN (the UN) with the US, the United Kingdom, France, and Russia. </p>
<p>1945, after 8 years of war w/ Japan and the atomic bomb thrown by the US, the Republic of China recovered Taiwan. in two years, the Communist and Socialist in China started to rebell from the north. After 2 years of war the Republic of China lost (because the solviet union was supporting the communist while the US, although claiming they'd support, didn't give much military support) and went to Taiwan (along with some other small islands), and the communist party established "People's Republic of China"</p>
<p>Republic of China was still the permanent member of the the UN Security council until 1972 (may be 1 or 2 years off) and left the UN. After the Republic of China decided (note: they decided to leave) to leave the UN, the UN had People's republic of CHina to take over the seat. </p>
<p>Just because a country is forced to leave its own land to establish at another place doens't mean it shouldn't be regarded as a country (although in the international society it isn't). the only reason it isn't is b/c of People's Republic of CHina's threats since they are still not fully a democratic country and would not care a second to kill people in Tian An Gate or in Hong Kong for asking for democracy. </p>
<p>Think about it, it is completely unreasonable to disregard it just b/c it's a small island, a large number of countries in the world are smaller.</p>
<p>Besides, officially recorded, there are around 210 countries in the world while only 19* are in UN. </p>
<p>Anyway, end of history, you can believe in whatever you want, but it only shows that in international politics people are still trying to bully each other by brutal force rather than sensable and logical reasoning. If you actually cared to study the history, you will find in no way Republic of China isn't a country, but the harsh truth is that it isn't recognized. The reason "Taiwan" is more commonly used is because the government wants to be known publicly, thus compromised. </p>
<p>but whatever, I probably can spend my time much wiser doing something else than debating over a topic that my oponent knows nothing about. </p>
<p>btw, this thread <em>should</em> be about whether all asians are considered urms.
and I think we've reached a pretty clear conclusion that not all are.</p>
<p>kennyk616, even if officially Taiwan is not a country, it is still legit to say "I'm from Taiwan" as a couple of people have said to me when I asked where they were from. The same goes for Hong Kong. And many Hawaiians identify first with the state. I'm sure you'll more likely hear "I'm from Hawaii" than "I'm from the US" if you were somewhere else on the globe.</p>
<p>^very true, but people on this site like to argue about trivial things and prove people wrong, thus making themselves feel better. so god forbid you say Taiwan, god forbid.</p>
<p>I have seen tons of people say that Filipinos and Vietnamese are URMs. Which forums have you been reading?</p>
<p>Why is the name Taiwan mentioned on every map that I see? Since Taiwan is a province of the PRC, then the ppl should've listed every province in China for that matter. As long as Taiwan doesn't proclaim independence, life in China will still continue to be peaceful (i hope). Taiwan is not recognized as a country, period.</p>
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<p>I say not, which forums are you reading?</p>
<p>Until you show me people of X race getting into schools with average EC's but below average grades and scores, then X race is not an URM.</p>
<p>I'm sorry to break it to you, but the only URMs are Hispanic, African-American, and Native American.</p>
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<p>I'm sorry to break it to you, but you're wrong.</p>
<p>There are such things as under-represented ethnicities. Not all asians and blacks are the same, you know. What about blacks from the Caribbean?</p>
<p>I'm from Taiwan. What do I say? I say that I am Taiwanese. The truth is, even if we are not officially recognized by most major international countries, the generations of people who grow up in Taiwan see China as a foe rather than a friend, and they see themselves as a seperate democracy. Think about it this way: Americans who say that Taiwan should be "returned " to China as a province are arguing that a democratic country be returned to a Communist one. The Taiwanese enjoy full democracy such as rights of speech, right to free vote and have different political parties and religions. Should they have to give up their freedoms ? The answer is : of course not!</p>
<p>That's because they were from a disadvantaged background. There are tons of smart Asians from those small countries, but they get rejected. Harvard seems to factor in disadvantaged backgrounds a lot (and to a lesser extent Yale and Princeton as well).</p>
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<p>So I guess if a white/chinese person were from fairly similar circumstances, he/she would get the exact same treatment?</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>You also failed to consider a major assumption of affirmative action, and that's wrt URMs generally coming from disadvantaged backgrounds.</p>
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<p>And who cares about "those countries?" All I care about is the United States. Listen, I'm Vietnamese, so I should know my own ethnic group pretty well. We're not exactly academic rock stars like the Chinese or Koreans, you know.</p>
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<p>Harvard can only do so much of that. And if socioeconomics was really ever a metric, how come there are so many well-off Caribbean Americans and Africans (~40% of the blacks) at Harvard, despite the fact that they represent about 3% of African Americans? Let's face it, these guys are probably more educated and well off than most Vietnamese Americans. I smell a free ride via the URM label.</p>
<p>Because those Carribean people and Africans have a good study ethic like Asians do which is why they are not considered a URM.</p>
<p>I know very few Vietnamese people, but from the people I do know, they've all been extremely smart and hardworking (studying all day in the library) just like your stereotypical ORM Asian.</p>
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<p>Yeah they are. That was precisely my point.</p>
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<p>Uh, I'm Vietnamese. And I don't study all day in the library. I fail to see how doing so actually increases your chance at actually becoming a better student because you could study all day, and basically not learn a thing if you're not doing it efficiently. Infact, I hardly study at all, and made an SAT Composite of well over 2300 (it's a poor metric, I know). </p>
<p>But that's a far cry from the rest of the Vietnamese people in a significant community-town I know. A lot of them live in sub-standard housing on the poor side of town, and that probably results in a sub-decent academic performance as well. I know a lot of those Vietnamese guys would love to trade places with the Chinese homeowners living on the wealthy, north side of town.</p>
<p>This is Toronto btw. It's a fairly similar situation from what I've seen, in the Bay Area (re. San Jose).</p>
<p>But the fact of the matter is, it's a dangerous assumption to believe that all Asians are similar. Not all ethnic groups are the same. And colleges certainly recognize this, as I've shown you in that article.</p>
<p>How the hell did this thread turn into a history lesson...CCers complain on the dumbest things.</p>
<p>What are all the typical Asian traits - could you just sum up?</p>
<p>Big Brother 1984:</p>
<p>"Listen, I'm Vietnamese, so I should know my own ethnic group pretty well. We're not exactly academic rock stars like the Chinese or Koreans, you know."</p>
<p>What? Are you saying that Vietnamese aren't as smart as the Chinese or Koreans?</p>