<p>Of course on the only day that I actually cheat, I get caught. So I think I can talk my way out of it with the assistant principal.</p>
<p>Care to elaborate?</p>
<p>Apparently it goes on my permanent record, so I have to explain to colleges… And its my Junior year. I already had a thing in my record for a fight in my Freshman year, but that was reduced to verbal disagreement or something. I am not going to lie about it or anything. I am going to use my intelligence to talk my way out of the referral.</p>
<p>It goes on your record the first time? Jeez. We don’t even do that at my school.</p>
<p>What’d you do?</p>
<p>It was very stupid on my part, but it was an 8 point quiz in spanish (it was a daily, 6 question quiz on vocab, so very insignificant quiz) and I was being very stupid. I left my book open on the desk behind me and glanced back…</p>
<p>Having to explain it to colleges is not good. How do you plan to use your intelligence to talk yourself out of it?</p>
<p>Would failing the quiz have been that bad?</p>
<p>Saying that having such a insignificant “fault” be such a major limiting factor in any student’s future career is barbaric and hypocritical. This is like calling shoplifting a felony. It is a common incident that happens everyday with a multitude of students; it should never be punished harshly. A second offense should be harsh, but never the first. If that does not work, I will go on about how high school inhibits me from education and that schooling should never get in the way of education. Then go on to explaining the difference between education and schooling. So essentially saying that the secondary school system in America is a joke and needs radical changes.</p>
<p>I have to tell you- please do not use that argument with colleges. It is not helpful. You’d be better off saying it was a terrible mistake, you regret it, and you’ve learned a lot from the experience, so it will never happen again.</p>
<p>But now you are starting out at a deficit, having to explain this away. You are worse off than all other applicants with similar grades and stats. As for the penalty, is this the first time you cheated, or the first time you got caught? I think that’s why they treat first times harshly- it’s probably not the first time.</p>
<p>Wow if you were intelligent, bro, you wouldn’t need to cheat. You deserve to get in trouble. Not trying to give you a hard time; just trying to point out a fact.</p>
<p>I wasn’t thinking. My mind was preoccupied with more important things than a 8 point quiz. That is my excuse.</p>
<p>Alrighty, then.</p>
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Good luck there.</p>
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The fault is not insignificant just because the quiz was insignificant in your eyes. The fault is academic dishonesty, and your “excuse” is worse. You say that it is okay to cheat on something that isn’t “right,” making the claim that the entire American educational system is undeserving of your academic honesty. You aren’t saying you’ll never do it again, you’re actually saying that you have a “reason” to justify your continued cheating.</p>
<p>Schools do not inhibit your education, they provide for it; sure, they don’t do the best job, but they do a pretty good one. You’re reading right now, earlier you were writing. You’ve learned math, science, English, history, probably some languages, too.</p>
<p>If I was the guy in charge of this and a very remorseful kid came to me saying it was stupid and he wouldn’t do it again, I’d treat him much better than the ass ranting about cheating being okay in a “broken system.”</p>
<p>Further, saying a first offense (you named cheating and theft) shouldn’t be punished is ridiculous, as it is the obvious precursor to the next offense. If you remain unpunished for your academic dishonesty, the integrity of the educational system is at risk.</p>
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Haha, thanks for the laugh. “This quiz isn’t important and I was thinking about more important things” is the worst excuse I’ve heard (possibly tied with your other one).</p>
<p>Honestly, you’re totally screwed for top 20 schools if this goes down on your permanent record.</p>
<p>Dude, you’re gonna get slapped in the face by your principal if you act like that. Show some remorse for your actions, you sound like a megolomaniac. I got a similar guy in my school except he knows how to squirm out of these situations by at least faking remorse. He’s probably had about 5 or 6 “first and last times” regarding cheating.</p>
<p>I’m going to assume that you’re a guy…which will make it harder to kiss up or talk your way out in that case.</p>
<p>For girls (from personal experience), you just have to look sweet and innocent and subtle while pretending like you care about the moral dilemma (even if you only care about clearing your record of cheating). It helps if you generally have a clean reputation at school and you like to raise your hand a lot/participate in class…and other fluff like that.</p>
<p>If you’re a guy, …then…good luck explaining… hahah</p>
<p>Well that’s an antifeminist view. Are you for real?</p>
<p>consider yourself lucky. here if you get caught cheating you get suspended. [and if you cheat again/get caught drinking or something, you can be expelled]</p>
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<p>Or cry…</p>
<p>DAVID THE FAT</p>
<p>You ignored me in the Caltech thread. Are you the same davidthefat from bb.com forums?</p>