<p>Welcome to America!!</p>
<p>its not right that a kid with much lower stats should be admitted to a college just because of the colour of his skin…i know not all AA admits have lower stats than the average admitted stats but many do</p>
<p>To the OP: Why did you have to start this egocentric AA battle? CC already has more than plenty threads discussing this matter in depth… This thread is just pointlessly stupid, and thus should be closed</p>
<p>The issue with AA is that it is extremely disheartening when the average, nonchalant URM is accepted over the Asian male with perfect stats who has tirelessly worked throughout high school.</p>
<p>The same applies to those applicants with legacy, and the children of the University’s largest benefactors…</p>
<p>Here’s a thought for the OP:
If you complain so much about AA, why didn’t you put yourself as “race unknown”? I’m pretty sure that would’ve solved all your fickle qualms about your merits on admission</p>
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<p>How do we know? What were your stats and what college did you attend?</p>
<p>“Washington University ended racial segregation in its undergraduate divisions in 1952, making it the last local institution of higher education to do so. During the mid- and late 1940s, the University was the target of critical editorials in the local African American press, letter-writing campaigns by churches and the local Urban League, and legal briefs by the NAACP intended to strip its tax-exempt status. In spring 1949, a Washington University student group, the Student Committee for the Admission of Negroes (SCAN), began campaigning for full racial integration. The administration continued to hold that full desegregation “would place the University outside of the community,” as Vice-Chancellor Leslie Buchan claimed in 1951, and could spark “incidents on campus.” However, under mounting internal and external pressure, the Board of Trustees in May 1952 passed a resolution desegregating the school’s undergraduate divisions.[9]”</p>
<p>–Wikipedia.org && Amy M. Pfeiffenberger, “Democracy at Home: The Struggle to Desegregate Washington University in the Postwar Era,” Gateway-Heritage (Missouri Historical Society), vol. 10, no. 3 (Winter 1989), pp. 17-24. </p>
<p>That is why Affirmative Action is necesary.
Also, look up Brown vs. The Board of Education
Segregation against qualified minorities was HEAVILY prevelant in schools.
Affirmative Action only helps QUALIFIED minority students get into the schools that otherwise would have rejected them due to racism.
If they didn’t have to potential to succeed, they would be admitted and flunk out. And no one wants that. I don’t have hard data, but I’m sure most minority students who have been admitted to HYPMS have the same retention rate as non-minority students admitted there.</p>
<p>kayake, the reality is that there are many URMs that get into top colleges because of affirmative action.</p>
<p>I know people with mediocre SAT scores, GPAs, and ECs, who got into Harvard and MIT precisely because they were minorities.</p>
<p>Screwdriver:
Nothing you have said is original. All of your arguments have been refuted in the thread <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/441477-fastest-growing-ethnic-category-great-colleges-race-unknown.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/441477-fastest-growing-ethnic-category-great-colleges-race-unknown.html</a>.</p>
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Actually most of the applicants who apply to Harvard, etc. are qualified.</p>
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95% of African Americans graduate from Harvard. That’s pretty good for any race. When you consider top schools, the graduation rates, for all races, are higher since you have higher caliber students there. Talking about lesser caliber institutions is irrelevant in most CC discussions because most kids are fixated on AA when it’s applied to high caliber institutions like Harvard.</p>
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Schools such as HYP are 9% (or less) black. Preference? Not exactly.</p>
<p>I dont have the desire to go back and quote everything you said, but 60 years ago, were URMs being admitted into highly selective schools? No! During the period of desegregation (Brown vs. Board example fits here), Affirmative action was created. </p>
<p>You quoted a sentence out of The Famuan. You failed to pay attention to the sentence that followed it:
"Experts said this disparity exists because of the lack of funding blacks are able to receive and the types of resources available to black students. "</p>
<p>Furthermore, wikipedia states:
“Race, ethnicity, native language, social class, geographical origin, parental attendance of the university in question (legacy admissions), and/or gender are often taken into account when assessing the meaning of an applicant’s grades and test scores.”</p>
<p>So if I’m black, and have attended poor, inner city pubic schools my entire life, and have still succeeded as much as possible with the resources given to me, I should have to continue to go to poor, inner city colleges?? If my ACT score was the highest to ever come out of my high school, and I clearly have natural intelligence that just needs cultivating, I shouldn’t be able to recieve that from the best university possible? Because Affirmative Action takes into account my background, and my disadvantages, and my relative success. </p>
<p>No matter how you flip it, prior to Affirmative Action, URMs were not given the opportunity to go the top schools. Point Blank. The End.</p>
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Irrelevant. Whether or not a school is Division 1 has nothing to do with the quality of the institution. At better schools, graduation rates for all races will be better.</p>
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That includes women, Asians, Hispanics, African Americans, etc., people from disadvantaged socio-economic backgrounds, and people from less prominent regions of the country like the Midwest.</p>
<p>Anyways, your point is largely irrelevant to how Affirmative Action is used today. You can spare yourself some grief and look up the post I linked in my previous post.</p>
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<p>How about you read everything before going off on tangents.
I said if I am black, poor, underprivledged, etc.
High qualifying students of all races & social classes should be able to receive equal education. Which translates into AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.</p>
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What about how a White person with identical stats pr even lower stats will get in over that same White person. Also, I find it interesting that you are using Whites as your example. Whites actually benefit from Affirmative Action because it allows them to not face competition from Asians.</p>
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So, Affirmative Action should only benefit those who it was intended for? So only Asians living in the United States prior to the Civil Rights Movement should have benefited from Affirmative Action 50 years ago? You do realize that it was mainly first generation Asians, who did not experience the historic discrimination Asians already living in the country experienced, primarily benefited from Affirmative Action.</p>
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Yes it is. It works using the same concept of “representation.”</p>
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Read the thread I posted. It is clear you have a limited understanding of Affirmative Action. The policy takes into account groups that are “under-represented.” Last time I checked, “a white person hailing from the inner city,” is considered to be "under-represented.</p>
<p>Here’s a solution: if you want to get rid of Affirmative-Action, then make sweeping reforms to the k-12 educational system so low-income schools that are disproportionately attended by students of color are raised to the standards of schools predominately attended by white suburban children.</p>
<p>If the government would’ve done that following desergregation, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Until then, while schools are still in fact segregated racially and economically, affirmative action is needed. No one benefits from having racially homogenous colleges–not white kids and not people of color.</p>
<p>STOP being racist toward yourself!! LOL</p>
<p>We are all the same!! there should be no award to different races.</p>
<p>The award should based on socioeconomic status! Not ethnicity!</p>
<p>I’m skipping a few posts here, but did anybody notice the OP said …</p>
<p>How can I be so sure affirmative action didn’t get me accepted into my first choice schools? I didn’t get accepted…</p>
<p>he DIDN’T get in…</p>
<p>THAT’s why he says AA didn’t get him in.</p>
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<p>No, you’re understanding of affirmative action is limited. In fact, it is wrong. Look it up.
affirmative action<br>
n. A policy or a program that seeks to redress past discrimination through active measures to ensure equal opportunity, as in education and employment.</p>
<p>An economically disadvantaged white person may receive some benefit, and have an admission “hook” of sorts, but he or she will not qualify for affirmative action, BECAUSE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS A COLLECTIVE POLICY, NOT AN INDIVIDUAL ASSESSMENT!!! That is supposedly how one goes about “redressing past discrimination.” In other words, a black person with identical stats as the aforementioned white person with have a better chance at admission than the white person. Likewise, a rich black applicant will receive a larger boost than a disadvantaged white applicant.</p>
<p>Screwdriver:
You looked up Affirmative Action in a dictionary. How is that going to give you all of the information to understand how Affirmative Action is used today? Just take the time to go through this thread and I guarantee you’ll come out having a better understanding of the issue and of the college admissions process than you do now.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/441477-fastest-growing-ethnic-category-great-colleges-race-unknown.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/441477-fastest-growing-ethnic-category-great-colleges-race-unknown.html</a></p>
<p>newjack:
Youve done it again! Thanks for saving me the trouble of explaining to the uninformed the true implications/intentions/results of Affirmative Action.</p>
<p>madville, you put out some really good info!</p>
<p>I love these signature Affirmative Action battles on CC. There is always a new one every few weeks, and it gets everyone fired up.</p>