I am so disappointed! Anyone else liike me?

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - Davis
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I also know that the real estate rental market in Davis is very expensive; assuming you can find a place to rent.

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<p>HAHA. Living in the dorms is MORE EXPENSIVE than living off-campus. If you shop wisely and buy generic brand food or go to Costco or Winco, its much cheaper than the dorms. There are so many apartment complexes at this time begging for more renters, offering specials, putting out ads. And expensive? Compared to the Bay Area housing market? Or compared to the LA housing market? </p>

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The administration has already done that by overcrowding Davis. No matter how many programs UC Davis offers it doesn't really matter if they make living at UC Davis unbearable by cramming everybody into small dorm rooms, or, in the case of sophomores, juniors, and seniors, don't provide on campus housing for those who need it or want it and throw them off campus into the expensive local rental market. It is very difficult to finish college in a small town like Davis, or anywhere for that matter, if you don't have anywhere nearby to live.

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<p>Very few upper classmen actually dorm, besides transfers. And again, there are tons of places to live here.</p>

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Also, if you can't get the classes that you need to graduate in four years due to this overcrowding, how long will it take to get a degree from UC Davis? Five years, six years, maybe seven years?

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<p>They're blocking off a good amount of intro classes to upper classmen so that the freshman and sophs can finish their GE's all the while forcing the upper classmen to take major prep classes instead of lollygagging by taking Intro classes. Makes sense to me.</p>

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If all of these problems, created by overcrowding, are not the fault of the administration, who manages UC Davis and controls virtually every aspect of what goes on at UC Davis; then exactly who is reponsible for all of these problems that are creating this chaos at UC Davis?

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<p>The state of California. California wants to offer high school students a chance at attending a university. UC Davis has finally gotten the recognition it deserves and the students have finally realized that UC Davis isn't just cow town. </p>

<p>I bet next year UC Davis doesn't admit kids and people are scratching their heads like, UC Davis is unfair and all you '06ers will be so thankful that we accepted that many students.</p>

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<p>"And expensive? Compared to the Bay Area housing market? Or compared to the LA housing market?"</p>

<p>Add La Jolla to that mix as well. This dude is a troll.</p>

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<p>Another thing to mention, the vacancy rates for apartments is at an all time high for many years meaning the supply and demand equation favors the students in availability and affordability of off campus housing. There are also MANY student rental houses scattered throughout the town that provide even more housing. UC Davis has never been a university where students stay on campus after freshman year unless they were staying in specialty housing (such as the hobbit huts-can't remember what they call them now but you get the idea). Even in the 70s, the expected/established norm for the vast majority of students was to move off campus after freshman year and we thought that the ones that didn't just needed a little more time to grow up and learn to be independent and live on their own. Times change but I suspect this general tendency still exists for UCD.</p>

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<p>taffy, i was in your boat with uiuc, enjoy the 40k+ price tag, with ee it brought me to about 43k, i wanted it, just not that bad.</p>

<p>i'm kind of sad about the overpopulation, if I would have known this going in I would have choose a different campus, I don't see why they don't offer this, it's their fault, they should fix it.</p>

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<p>Have any of you that are having a problem with the "overpopulation" (sorry, I don't think it will be a big deal) and worries about dorms checked out all the unhappy campers at Cal that just got their dorm assignments? It might make you feel a little better about the situation at Davis. Many didn't even get their 5th choice in housing.</p>

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<p>I know that those that didn't get accepted to the STEP program are disappointed. Could it be that you are overqualified for the STEP program? STEP is a program for students that need a boost, those that need to take courses such as pre-chemistry (ie: remedial)</p>

<p>You can still apply to the BUSP program. And, other research opportunities abound at UC Davis. Do not worry. Even with the influx, you will still have lots of options, as not everyone will be motivated to do research. </p>

<p>mvellius - I take it that you are in ISHP? The crowding at Miller is likely due to the fact that 143 Regents scholars turned in SIRs, and many likely chose ISHP, but with double occupancy the building only holds 114. Until the SIR deadline, there would be no way for campus to know how many had accepted. This was a pleasant surprise for campus - and means that many more exceptionally bright students chose Davis over other institutions this year.</p>

<p>The rooms at Miller are very spacious, and many of them are greatly oversized and can easily accommodate triples. That said, I hope you get the double you desire. In the past there have been plenty of volunteers for a triple (especially with the reduction in cost for those choosing a triple), although it may be a different story at Miller, where many students may not care about the cost due to scholarships.</p>

<p>(If you sign up for a double and get a triple assigned, be sure to immediately contact the housing office and request a switch).</p>

<p>Good luck to everyone and don't waste time worrying about the press reports. </p>

<p>When I was a UCD student back in the days of the dinosaurs, students literally camped out for days outside Freeborn Hall to try to be first in line to get into those hard to get classes (no computers back then :). Although campus was much smaller, it was more difficult to get into many intro classes. Now, the administration can predict how many sections of which courses will be needed - and if at summer advising courses are filling up, we just open more sections.</p>

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<p>rage_fan, oh i will :)</p>

<p>Voiceofreason, go post in the douchebag forums... o wait... byebye</p>

<p>if UCD had told you all that it was going to be overpopulated, then maybe it wouldn't have been overpopulated because you would have gone elsewhere. But you would have gone elsewhere because it was going to be overpopulated but once they said its going to be overpopulated it wasn't going to be overpopulated anymore.... trippppy.</p>

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I am not trying to make incoming freshman feel like they are coming to a university that doesn't care about them. The administration has already done that by overcrowding Davis.

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Tell you the truth, mvellius...I'm an incoming freshman and I didn't feel uncared for when I realized there were more people going to davis this year. A little worried, but definitely not uncared for. But...reading posts like yours, bashing the admin and stuff like that...that definitely makes me feel as if I'm not welcomed simply because I'm creating these problems. </p>

<p>So...speaking from personal experience, whether you're trying to or not, you ARE making at least some incoming freshmen feel uncared about.</p>

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<p>mvellius..im not sure but if you really wanted to, you could call berkeley and see if they will allow you to accept their offer, even though it is long after the may 1st deadline. I have a friend who rejected UCI for UCSD and he just decided that he doesnt want to go to UCSD anymore and he called UCI and tehy allowed him to go there. Anyways, good luck.</p>

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<p>Wouldn't Berkeley be worse? Isn't Berkeley really crowded?</p>

<p>I'm pretty sure the Berkeley professors/faculty won't care any more for the undergraduate class even with this crowding issue. UCD is known to be more friendly to undergrads right? :P</p>

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<p>makemehappy wrote:</p>

<p>"So...speaking from personal experience, whether you're trying to or not, you ARE making at least some incoming freshmen feel uncared about."</p>

<p>My reply:</p>

<p>I think each incoming freshman has to make their own decision about whether or not they are "feeling uncared about" at UCD. The only way that they can actually experience what is going on at UCD in real time is by attending UCD as a student. When everyone gets to UCD they will get an opportunity to experience, first hand, what the UCD Administration is doing to help and otherwise care for them. Some will like what they find; some won't.</p>

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<p>"Turned down UC Berkeley because Biomedical Engineering at UCD was more compatible with the goal to become an M.D. than Bioengineering at UCB. UCB does not offer Biomedical Engineering. Also, prefer the suburban/country atmosphere at UCD to the more urban atmosphere at UCB. Will have to see how things work out in a triple."</p>

<p>Biomedical Engineering and Bioengineering is virtually synonymous. Don't know if you looked up information regarding UCB's bioE undergrad program, but you choose 1 of 8 specializations that tailors toward your future goals. With the addition of the recently built Biosciences Stanley Research Center, I can only see UCB further improving its bioE program.</p>

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<p>sorry, just read the subsequent posts in this topic regarding mvellius's situation.</p>

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<p>Dear mvellius,</p>

<p>Wow we have the identical problem!!! Well not anymore but at one point we did. So I was also admitted to Davis as a Regent in the ISHP program in Miller Hall with Biomedical Engineering and dreams of going to Medical School and becoming a doctor.</p>

<p>I was also EXTREMELY angry when I received the letter in the mail from Davis about housing issue. <snip> I wrote letters to the administration to see if there was any possibility of not getting a triple and the administration seemed rather unconcerned and mentioned that this is all part of the "growing pains" the university faced this year with more admits. However, the program was misrepresented and if I had really wanted to go to Davis after they lied to me I might have considered suing then for fraud (which I may or may not have won depending on the fine print somewhere in the application process.)</snip></p>

<p>In regards to resurrecting offers from other universities. Fortunately I resurrected a great offer that I had at USF (University of San Francisco) and I will be attending there in the Fall instead of Davis with a guaranteed seat in their law school. However, I was originally admitted to Berkeley for Bioengineering as well in the Spring then I appealed and was granted my appeal for the Fall. After I received the news from Davis I tried to resurrect the Berkeley offer too. I wrote then emails and talked to one lady on the phone. Unfortunately they are inflexible and say "The deadline has passed; if you had called us the day of the deadline we could have helped you but at this point we cannot help you." I pressed my point but they wouldn't budge (and really why should they). So you cannot go back to Berkeley this semester/year and I wouldn't really do that either because my friends who are going to Berkeley are almost all in triples this year. </p>

<p>Many current students and teachers say that there should not be a problem with the triple situation in Miller Hall but, hey, they don't have to live it so I can see why they wouldn't really care and would continue to support the change. I completely understand your outrage; Miller Hall was presented as the premiere dorm and a bonus to the best and brightest at Davis. Now Miller Hall has become a detriment to the students it was presented as helping. Overall Davis lied to the students in the ISHP program and trapped them into attending their school by allowing students to fill out their SIRs without informing them about the truth of what their living situation would be in Miller Hall. </p>

<p>I think I might have been the only person to drop from the ISHP program due to the triple situation. You can call me a quitter or say that I gave up to easily whatever you want to say, but frankly I don't really think you can have a healthy scholastic or personal relationship with an institution that lies to you at the outset and traps you into going to their school under false pretenses. Overall I think I made the right choice and I really do hope that everything works out for the best for all the people that will remain in the ISHP Program.</p>

<p>Best of luck mvellius. You sound like you are determined to succeed; just keep your focus and will get to Med school!</p>

<p>Good Luck</p>

<p>P.S. Biomedical Engineering and Bioengineering are not the same thing. Although Berkeley offers 8 specialized areas: Biomechanics & Tissue Engineering, Bioinformatics & Genomics, Micromachines & Robotics, Computational Bioengineering, Neural & Sensory Systems Bioengineering, Biomedical Imaging & Signal Processing, Radiological Bioengineering, & Biomedical Systems Engineering, they focus their research in 4 areas: Biomedical Imaging, BioMEMS and Robotics, Computational Biology & Bioinformatics, & Tissue Bioengineering. Although Berkeley Biomedical Systems Engineering could possibly be considered the same as Davis Biomedical engineering it is 1 of 8 specialties at Berkeley making that area of interest more diluted and limited than the program at Davis. Out of the 2 programs the Davis Biomedical engineering program is more focused in the areas that would interest prospective medical school students than the bioengineering program at Berkeley, hence the name of the Davis program bioMEDICAL engineering.</p>

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<p>Bobby, </p>

<p>The situation at Miller was unfortunate - no-one expected that such an unprecedented percentage of regent's scholars would accept the award. I guess the word has really been getting around about what a great program it is. Because the point of the program is for students to live together and take classes together, there was no option to expand into another building (and all buildings are going to be crowded because of the unprecedented jump in SIRs).</p>

<p>Administrators were stunned at the huge increase- there were no lies - it was totally unexpected. So many students wait until the last minute, as they weigh their options - there was no way to know until the deadline passed that the acceptances were so high. </p>

<p>I'm sorry if it appeared that someone didn't care, but administrators I know do care- it is also frustrating for staff who handle such complaints, because there is nothing they can do to accommodate all students but to designate the needed number of rooms as triples.</p>

<p>The rooms at Miller are very spacious, and not at all like the rooms at UCB or UCLA where I've seen students crammed in like sardines. Regardless, I do not think that every room is slated to be a triple and housing personnel do attempt to accommodate requests, so I'm sure some students will be successful in making a case for why they cannot be in a triple.</p>

<p>Anyway, I'm sorry that it didn't work out for you - and I hope you are happier at USF.</p>

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<p>As I see it, the problem with UCD, not unlike the other UCs, is that there appears to be a lot of "buck passing" going on. Problems happen, and everybody "in charge" says they can't do anything. But they always find a way to "do something" when it comes time to belly up to the feeding trough to make sure their outrageous salary and benefit packages keep growing. It seems that the primary beneficiaries of what is going on in the UC system are the people at the top and their buddies pulling down the huge salaries and benefit packages. Wasn't this the reason why the UCD Chancellor had a "no confidence" vote pulled on him earlier this year? I think the story goes that UCD Chancellor Vanderhoef executed an agreement with the former University Relations Vice Chancellor Celeste Rose after Rose resigned from her post last June and she began serving as a senior adviser to the chancellor, a two-year appointment at an annual salary of $205,000. Seems to me that the people in charge of the UC system are primarily interested in feathering their beds and finding high paying jobs for their cronies and don't give a dam about the students. So, it is really not shocking to see how poorly things are going at UCD, or, for that matter, at any other UC campus.</p>

<p>There appears to be a lot of dysfunctional organizational behavior going on in the UC system at the top of the food chain, as evidenced by problems associated with the UCSC Chancellor who jumped out of the window of a high rise apartment building in San Francisco yesterday. The story says she had come under fire for having the University spend about $600,000 to upgrade her university provided house on campus and had also created something like a $192,000 per year UC management position for her "partner" of 7 years. The SF Chronicle story reports that her partner also received a housing assistance allowance of up to $50,000. The story also reported that the UCSC Chancellor's salary was $282,000 per year. </p>

<p>This is the type of crap that is going on in the UC system, and the students who attend the UCs are paying for it by having to pay higher and higher tuitions each year, having their living accomodations degraded, and having their educational opportunities compromised.</p>

<p>The California legislature needs to get out the broom and clean out the UC system by putting in some new, enlightened management at the top of the UC system, and at each UC campus, who will put the students ahead of their own personal interests.</p>

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<p>Owdi,</p>

<p>Sensationalism sells papers and many people read the headlines and think they know what is going on. </p>

<p>I don't claim that all is perfect here, however the Celeste Rose incident was an isolated incident on the UCD campus. Faculty that suggested the "no confidence" vote ( a tiny minority signed the petition) were disaffected because they believe their salaries are inadequate and were not happy with some of the decisions the chancellor has made over the years.It only takes 50 signatures to request a vote. BTW - you fail to mention that the "no-confidence" vote was resoundingly trounced by the faculty - the vast majority do support the Chancellor, although everyone acknowledges that mistakes were made. </p>

<p>The whole Rose story is now well-documented (and you can read all the gory details so you'd sound a little more credible when you lash out). </p>

<p>When Rose was asked to resign, she (a black woman, who is well connected to lobbyists in the legislature) threatened to sue for racism. The Chancellor turned to attorneys at Office of the President for guidance, and the attorneys recommended that, given the circumstances, it would cost less to give her a settlement than fight a lawsuit. In addition, it has now been documented that pressure was put on all involved to settle with Rose, so that is what was done. Even though she had no case, and would not have won, this was viewed as cheaper than fighting a lawsuit. </p>

<p>At UCD the Chancellor always has time for student concerns and has not abused the system for self-gain. He is by far the lowest compensated chancellor in the UC system, although he is the longest tenured. </p>

<p>What is your story that you are so bitter and unhappy? If you have a specific problem with UCD, feel free to email me directly and I will try to help you out.</p>

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<p>anxious_mom. What's your story? It is almost as if you have a vested interest in speaking on behalf of UC Davis. As a matter of fact, you almost appear to be speaking for the UCD administration. Do you work for UCD as an employee or independent contractor?</p>

<p>So now you are saying that UCD had a problem with racism, not cronyism, in the Rose case? By anybody's accounting, racism is certainly worse than cronyism. You allege that Rose was "well connected to lobbyists in the Legislature"? How do you know this? How do you know that this was the reason why the case was settled? Were you a party to the settlement discussions? Sounds like you are creating an alibi for the UCD Administration. Seems to me that if somebody is alleging racism against UCD, and the management of UCD makes a generous settlement with the would be plaintiff who is making the allegations, so as to avoid litigation, there may be at least a scintilla of evidence or substance to support their allegations and case. Otherwise, by making such a settlement to settle an allegedly baseless and frivilous lawsuit you are setting your institution up for, and in fact inviting, more baseless and frivilous lawsuits. If, what you allege is true, and this is an example of the type of decisions being made by UCD's administration, then the management problems at UCD could be very serious. </p>

<p>As previously mentioned, you infer that the UCD administration bought their way out of this case:</p>

<p>"The Chancellor turned to attorneys at Office of the President for guidance, and the attorneys recommended that, given the circumstances, it would cost less to give her a settlement than fight a lawsuit. In addition, it has now been documented that pressure was put on all involved to settle with Rose, so that is what was done. Even though she had no case, and would not have won, this was viewed as cheaper than fighting a lawsuit."</p>

<p>What you appear to be saying is that UCD's administration, in effect, paid off someone, who allegedly didn't have a case, with public (not private) money? Or, is there any chance that the payoff could have been made to avoid uncomfortable details about UCD's administration from becoming public knowledge? What's the story here? I do find it very hard to believe that such upstanding people would engage in the type of questionable conduct that you have alleged. </p>

<p>Also, in your post you now appear to be blaming this alleged payoff on the attorneys. However, as we all know, attorneys are advisors (you are familiar with the term counselor-at-law) and, at the end of the day, it is the person or people in charge (the principals in the transaction) who make, and are responsible for, the decisions. Your attempt at passing the buck to the lawyers here doesn't wash. </p>

<p>Once again, is it any wonder that the UC system is jacking up tuitions, cramming students into overcrowded rooms, cutting educational quality, and overpopulating the campuses to increase revenue when this type of wheeling and dealing is going on? </p>

<p>In response to your question:</p>

<p>"What is your story that you are so bitter and unhappy?"</p>

<p>My answer is this:</p>

<p>Because UCD, and for that matter the UC system, is a public institution that appears to be plagued by dysfunctional management. What is going on at UCD, and the UC system, is a matter of political and public concern that needs to be addressed now in order to protect the interests of students in the UC system and California's taxpayers. </p>

<p>Now, once again, what's your story?</p>

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<p>...wow, what the...vendetta much, owdi? You're seriously going off on this mom who's just trying to present the other side of the argument.</p>

<p>I mean, it's great that you've got your opinion, but she's got hers, and you're all ripping her apart and accusing her of being part of the admin and trying to subvert CC to put up good propaganda or something.</p>

<p>...wtheck o_o you just make yourself seem even more "bitter" and "unhappy."</p>

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<p>I am only responding to anxious_mom's post; she has her opinion, I have mine. You can choose to characterize my posting however you want. However, focus on the substance, because if you are involved in the UC system it is of vital concern to you.</p>

<p>Now, let's see how or if anxious_mom answers my questions.</p>