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<p>Another issue with the OP’s D is that she is leaving campus every weekend. That was very uncommon at my kids’ selective colleges. Again, this is another problem in how the D might be able to succeed at college if she is not engaged at school on weekends, nor studying.</p>

<p>soozie, That much texting is not norm anywhere.</p>

<p>That someone said that to make a point on how wide-spread texting is in the younger generation. To which Consolation replied maybe that’s why they are at CC. Why was it necessary? If what Consolation says is true as you mentioned in your post #174, it is true of many 4-year colleges.</p>

<p>*Another issue with the OP’s D is that she is leaving campus every weekend. That was very uncommon at my kids’ selective colleges. Again, this is another problem in how the D might be able to succeed at college if she is not engaged at school on weekends, nor studying. *</p>

<p>Good point…</p>

<p>She obviously isn’t making friends on campus or in her classes. She’s not attending campus activities, sports games, or whatever.</p>

<p>Has the OP said what kind of school this is? Is is a commuter/suitcase school where many leave after classes end?</p>

<p>Iglooo, texting is widespread amount college students and the younger generation. Agreed. 650+ texts per day is not the norm anywhere. Agreed. </p>

<p>The person who said she was a teacher at a CC observed texting in class a lot. Consolation is saying that SOME students in that setting may be disengaged in class (thus texting), and likely were disengaged prior to college and such students (NOT ALL who attend CC!!!) may be at CC because they did not have the work ethic to get into a selective college where work ethic is part of the selection for admissions. Those who attend a very selective college had to have a certain work ethic to even be admitted. They likely are more inclined to be engaged in class, though there are surely exceptions. And they are more likely to graduate, than those who attend CC. I just don’t find that to be disputable or condescending to all who attend CC. Some who attend CC are very motivated with strong work ethic and will succeed and are not texting in class.</p>

<p>I’ve taught CC and I have also taught at some not very selective four year colleges. I have had some very motivated students with a very strong work ethic. I have had a percentage of students who cut class a lot, don’t do the homework or do shoddy work that wasn’t at the level of my then elementary school children in my own family at the time. I have worked at more selective colleges and the percentage of those with a stronger work ethic and attendance in class and all the rest, was, well, higher.</p>

<p>Thanks, Soozie, but it is obviously hopeless. According to Iglooo, all colleges everywhere attract and accept exactly the same type of students, and it is socially unacceptable to suggest otherwise.</p>

<p>Iglooo, for the last time, the campus described was a CC. Hence my remark referenced CC, not 4- yr schools. I’m sure you will be delighted to hear that I also hold the unfashionable opinion that there are 4-year schools that aren’t worth the powder to blow them–and certainly not worth the tuition money that they take in from victimized students and their families, often leaving them with no degree and massive debt.</p>

<p>The following is the direct quote from Consolation’s post #114ish. The central point is that the instructor found it offensive and said so this morning. Doesn’t that matter? </p>

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At the community college where I teach, everyone is texting ALL the time, while walking, while eating, during class, it never stops.</p>

<p>Maybe that is why they are at community college. I certainly haven’t observed that behavior at S’s school.</p>

<p>The instructor at her particular CC, observed students who never stop texting, including in class. </p>

<p>Texting to that degree and in class, is more typical of someone with less of a work ethic. Such students are in a higher degree of percentage at a CC setting as work ethic was not required in order to be admitted. At Consolation’s child’s school, I presume it was pretty selective and that a greater percentage of those who attend, have strong work ethic and are less inclined to text during class and more inclined to graduate. That doesn’t mean that everyone at a CC has a weak work ethic and is texting in class but the person who teaches at one particular CC is saying she observes that constantly in class and that it “never stops.” That would not be possible to do in a highly selective college and still be able to succeed and graduate. There will be students who do it but they are in the minority. And they don’t have that kind of time outside of class. They text for communication but then are engaged in studies and activities so that they cannot be texting “ALL the time.” I think my D texts a lot but it is only 50 texts per day. That is not “ALL the time.” The CC instructor said she sees her students texting “ALL the time,” and it “never stops.” I think it is fair to say that there are a greater percentage of students with a weaker work ethic at a CC than at a highly selective university. It is also fair to say that there are some very strong students at CC who for whatever reason, may not have had the opportunities or funds, to go to a selective college. But someone with a weak work ethic is more likely to be found at a CC than at a very selective university. This is not all inclusive but just a “trend.”</p>

<p>Consolation, correct me if I am wrong, but I THINK your son attends an Ivy League school, yes? One of my girls did as well and I sat in on some classes and kids were not texting in class. I also sat in on classes at Skidmore (pretty selective school) as my in-laws audit courses there and I was visiting with them. Nobody texted in class and everyone participated in the discussion. At my other D’s school, three days per week were in conservatory classes and there is no way in the world that a cell phone could have been in class. Very strict rules. Tardiness is not accepted. More than two absences lowers your grade. It is fully participatory. </p>

<p>I do not know about ALL CC colleges. One person here said she teaches at one and sees her students texting all the time in class and it never stops. I haven’t seen that at my kids’ colleges or at Skidmore. Just my observation. </p>

<p>My kids do text while walking, however.</p>

<p>Was that in reply to my post #187? Allow me to repeat my question. Could Consolation’s reply to CC teacher as quoted in #187 be read condescending? If so and if the CC teacher finds it offensive, would an apology in order? </p>

<p>It’s great that Consolation’s S is in a selective school and obviously your kids as well. I would have thought by definition a selective school is “selective” and therefore what they do or don’t do is not a good standard to measure anything against.</p>

<p>And CC should be our standard?</p>

<p>My post 188 and 189 were in response to your post 187, Iglooo. I did not find Consolation to be condescending and she has clarified her position and I have agreed with it, in fact. I have not read anyone putting down ALl students who attend community colleges whatsoever. </p>

<p>I read a member who is a teacher at a CC say that HER students are texting ALL the time IN class and NEVER stop. Consolation remarked that perhaps that is a reflection of SOME students who attend such a school who may have a weak work ethic.</p>

<p>I also have taught CC. I also have attended classes at very selective schools. I made some observations of my own on the thread.</p>

<p>There is no excuse for students texting in class. It is distracting and rude (disregarding the negative effect it has on the texter). One could question the work ethic of the instructor who permits texting during class. IMO.</p>

<p>Anyone interested in getting this thread back on topic?</p>

<p>If everyone on cc who was offended by any given post that some poster wrote and demanded (and got) an apology, the cc servers would probably crash from overuse, LOL. With all due respect igloo, we get that you were offended. OK. Many here did not read consolations post the way you did and were not offended. I think I understand the point (tongue in cheek or not) that she was trying to make. If your point is that you were offended, ok . Got it. She expressed her opinion and you expressed yours. </p>

<p>BTW, my s texted under the table at dinner this summer. Drove me nuts and I told him to stop. Perhaps I should have been impressed with his ability to multi-task (to talk to me and text without looking at his phone simultaneously) but I was not.Too bad it isn’t a marketable skill. BTW, he also texts while walking. Dropped his phone on the cement sidewalk at school a few weeks back. Phone still worked but he couldnt read his screen. I suspect he went through text withdrawl. He is now is using older s’s old back-up phone. Hope he learned a lesson or two.</p>

<p>(crossposted with treetop-- this was in response to the posts above treetops)</p>

<p>I can’t imagine a college teacher (having been one myself) allowing text messaging or any use or sight of a cell phone in class.</p>

<p>The person on this thread who says she teaches at a CC and see kids texting “ALL the time” IN class and that it “NEVER stops,”…I’m wondering what she does about it?</p>

<p>(my post is in response to treetops)</p>

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<p>Yes, he does.</p>

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<p>Um, I think a standard of excellence is <em>precisely</em> what we ought to measure schools against.</p>

<p>And I promise that this is my very last post on the subject in this thread.</p>

<p>OP, have you had any luck figuring out to do with your D?</p>

<p>Fair enough. I read it condescending. If others didn’t, then they didn’t. It didn’t matter to me much except the teacher who was being replied to by Consolation seemed offended by the reply.</p>

<p>…Um, I think a standard of excellence is <em>precisely</em> what we ought to measure schools against…</p>

<p>No, not when we discuss what people do or what the norm is. There we go by the majority. Standard of excellence comes when we need something done.</p>

<p>Iglooo, you are saying it didn’t matter to you much but that you noticed that the CC teacher who had made the original observation/comment was offended. But truthfully, the comment was yesterday by the CC teacher and Consolation responded and then you responded right away that Consolation’s remarks were “underhanded.” The CC teacher didn’t respond to it until today and called it condescending. So, it seems you thought it was condescending yourself before the CC teacher even responded today. But the fact remains that the CC teacher said she observed her students texting all the time in class and that it never stops. That was what people were replying to…her own observation of her students in class. Today she defends the students who attend CC and all of what she says is true of the various walks of life that come to be students at her CC. Nobody is disputing that. Consolation and now others, myself included, were ONLY talking about the CC teacher’s remarks about constant texting in class, not the worthiness of many students who attend CC. So, I don’t think it was condescending but rather a possible explanation as to why there is such excessive texting in her classes, whereas there may not be as much in another educational setting. </p>

<p>I’m honestly curious what the teacher does about all the texting in class. Is that allowed?</p>

<p>I don’t quite get post 198. The CC teacher is saying the majority of her students text in class. </p>

<p>Others are saying that they don’t think that is the case in some educational settings where the standard of work ethic for the majority may be higher and where that would not be permitted and where the students would not survive and go on to succeed and graduate. If texting in class is so rampant in a particular CC school, are these students succeeding in their studies and graduating? It would be hard to do well if texting so much in class, no?</p>