<p>On a discussion forum, we use our eyes, not our ears. And besides, I don't think you have a clue on anything you're talking about. </p>
<p>"it helps to make friends in college, which you don't have a clue about..."</p>
<p>Well, I'm not in college (I've already mentioned this). Second, who's the one who had a miserable 4 years??? I think somebody else here had trouble making friends, and that person is you.</p>
<p>Molly,</p>
<p>Cornell did give me scholarship for all four years of my stay there. I still don't know why I didn't leave, since other schools might have given me scholarships as well. I'm not sure why. Probably, because I had really great friends there and didn't want to lose them. Plus, I was misinformed by the counselors there who told me all kinds of stuff... I was naive and believed what they had to say without doing my own research.</p>
<p>Gomestar all of a sudden changed his location from "Cornell" to "NYC" in his profile... Why would someone do that??? hahahaha... Plus, I wasn't suggesting you make friends now, which wouldn't be a bad idea, but that one makes friends while in college. Like I've said gomestar, tell me when and I'll slow everything down to your level so you can understand concepts beyond personal insults...</p>
<p>Dude, has anyone in this forum seriously acknowledged your comments yet?</p>
<p>FYI, they give scholarships as Financial Aid - not because you're smart (because we already know the answer to that). </p>
<p>Other scholarships are usually from individual donors and are rather small in amount. Others are based on certain conditions, such as an African Americans of Cornell scholarship, or a public service and leadership scholarship. </p>
<p>But bluntly, you aren't going to get a full ride from a perfect score on the SAT.</p>
<p>"Gomestar all of a sudden changed his location from "Cornell" to "NYC" in his profile... Why would someone do that??? hahahaha..."</p>
<p>Because I live in New York City. That should sufficiently answer your question of why somebody would do that. I never really thought it was possible to think otherwise, but you've proven me wrong. It's not really all of a sudden, it's more like way overdue. Thanks for the reminder, though.</p>
<p>FYI - I'm still waiting for you to offer proof for your statements earlier. You have yet to provide anything of substance. Just let it go, you're full of it.</p>
<p>Gomestar, I guess you missed your opportunity and can't do anything about it now, can you? See, the problem with you is that your research is always only on the surface. You did not look into scholarships other than make a call to the financial aid office, so how would you know? There are tons of grants and scholarships within the school. They're not going to lay them out on the Arts Quad for lazy individuals like you. And many of them are not restricted solely to minority candidates.</p>
<p>It's amazing how some people keeping digging and digging... their own holes. Like I said, why should I offer proofs to my own opinions you cut and pasted? Dude, you shouldn't really take my opinions as any direct, personal comment on you. A forum is place where you discuss opinions; it's not a debate arena. </p>
<p>Look up the world 'opinion' in a dictionary...</p>
<p>It's true that I did not look into scholarship for myself, I could afford the school without any aid or scholarships. But I'm well aware that they don't give massive academic scholarships to the best and brightest. Yes, there are tons of grants within the school, but it's nearly always given as part of a financial aid package. For example, a $10,000 package includes a $1,000 Cornell tradition fellowship or a $500 Hispanic action league scholarship. </p>
<p>"the problem with you is that your research is alway only on the surface."
Yeah, while you give the opinion of your cousin as concrete proof. Give me a break.</p>
<p>"It's true that I did not look into scholarship for myself, I could afford the school without any aid or scholarships." See, you didn't do your research. Cornell understands people like you, they know your profile, psychologically and financially. If they make the scholarships hard to find, they know that people like you will cough up the money. I don't think you realize how much grants, free money, the school actually gives out to top students. Again, you have to apply for them and know where to look for them...</p>
<p>Dude, just do the math. There are thousands of student there, if the scholarships were easy to find, do you think they can make money off of someone like you? See, you don't see the school from an objective point of view. Your heart is still enmeshed with the college brochure you picked up while you were in high school. The school is quite aware of their persona, especially to people like you. That's the power they hold, the illusion that you are okay if only you listen to their marketing slogan and financial aid officers. You can't just pick up a US World News or Time magazine and figure out how to access their scholarships. I think you're a nice guy but you're misguided... Just relax, dude and things will come into focus.</p>
<p>...but I did work for admissions. I've stated this many times in other posts, it's no secret. Part of my responsibility was knowing about financial aid and scholarships. </p>
<p>And no, "hiding scholarships from the well off" wasn't part of the process they use. I am right, you are wrong - it's as easy as that. The majority of scholarships are named after a donor - Cornell doesn't hold these for their own endowment, they're meant to be given to those who need them. If Cornell wanted to hoard money, they simply would give less aid, not refuse to give out scholarships from donations. And for further clarification, only a limited number of scholarships exists were students have to seek them out. Most are just assigned into the financial aid package without the need to apply for them.</p>
<p>Alright, now gomestar is debating me about scholarships he didn't research and didn't get but thinks he's still right because he worked part time in the admissions office. He's boring me now with his part-time work anecdotes... This guy needs to get a life...And I never said "hiding"; they are there for you to seek. It's like a college student doing internship at a multi-million company and going "yeah, I know how the whole thing works from top to bottom.." Okay, dude... obviously you need to prove something to everyone that disagree with you. You argue about things you know little about or things that are simply opinions. My whole point about the education at Cornell...</p>
<p>Off I go...</p>
<p>I didn't research scholarships for my personal use. I had to be informed about them for others and had to know about the relationship between scholarships and financial aid. Part time or not, it was part of my job responsibilities. </p>
<p>"thinks he's still right because he worked part time in the admissions office"
Well ... yeah!</p>
<p>Do this over P.M's. You're pathetic, GreenForest.</p>
<p>If you did not like being in France over the summer, and you are not happy at school now, it does not sound like the problem is Cornell.. the problem is you. It really sounds like you are not emotionally prepared to live away from home. Unfortunately, if you just move home, you will simply prolong the problem.
Like it or not, at some point you are going to have to learn to function on your own, and the relatively benign, structured, and protective environment of Cornell - or someplace similar - is about as good a place as any to learn how.</p>
<p>I sent my son off to a boarding prep school at 14. He travelled back and forth to school on trains - largely on his own. At 15 he went on a 2.5 week trip to Israel with a large group. Although hardly living on his own - a boarding school is very much a structured cocoon - he is now a self confident young man who can handle most things on his own without any problem. We talk frequently - sometimes daily - but he handles most things in life without my help.</p>
<p>Find a group or activity at school that you like, and focus on it. Get lost in your schoolwork. Speak up in class, and make yourself part of the discussions. Keep in mind that life on a college campus is MUCH easier than what will follow it.</p>
<p>Before you give any more thought to transferring out, also give some serious thought to what 'Cornell University' will do for your resume for years to come. There are perhaps 1 million living graduates of Ivy League schools - less than 0.3% of the US population, and not all of them live here. You have been given the opportunity to make yourself stand out.. use it!</p>
<p>The Cornell campus is one of the most beautiful and peaceful that you will ever find.. enjoy it while you can!</p>
<p>Muffin, I think I do feel your pain to some extent. I'm at Cornell right now and I'm a student that transferred INTO Cornell for the sake of studying some pretty esoteric and strange things that couldn't be taught at many other places. And I must say, this is truly a very strange place. I'll give a brief outline of a few of the things I've noticed. </p>
<p>As someone NOT from NYC, New England, California the suburbs, an upper-middle class background, a prep school or a very educated background my interactions with the average members of the student body have been an intense and sometimes depressing culture shock. (I'm sorry if I've offended any of the Cornell fanboys/fangirls out there, but the sooner you come to grips with the relative homogeneity of schools like this the better.) I have a fair amount of people that seem to like me and try to befriend me but I don't think they pick up on just how hard I struggle with actually finding things to talk to them about without being critical, or "negative" as you like to say. I try to keep my mouth shut for the sake of not offending people who seem to be pretty nice. </p>
<p>So with that little bit of information, understand that you are not alone. However, I will go on: </p>
<p>I've befriended many transfers while here and I also worked here over the summer and got to know many residents of Ithaca and some of the staff that work here. Many of the transfers that I've met carry themselves in manners FAR more different that most of the ordinary students. I won't talk about this any longer but do understand that there are tons of other people like you scattered about this campus. Also, some of the staff here are some of the kindest people I've ever met and are always willing to give you a different (usually positive but not always) perspective of the school. They've been here for years and have seen so much and seen the campus change so much. I suspect that they'll have a better grasp of this school, it's mission and its character than any student or tour guide.</p>
<p>Secondly, stop faking. Just STOP. I'll tell you something. There is far more misery lurking around this place than people let on. The student body generally has a pretty happy (and sometimes tepid) face but people are actually under a lot of pressure (usually from their psychotic parents who are in many cases living vicariously through their children) to be visible and active. Then there's the universal factor of peer pressure. Many people go to the same places, do the same things and talk about the same things on their weekends and such. No one really does this consciously but there's a shame culture here that mercilessly excommunicates anyone that seems too gloomy and pensive a killjoy OR anyone that is seen as too childish, hyperactive or silly. I guess this is a fact of life in the professional and business world, though. Point is, you have to break yourself from that mentality. Last weekend, I went out to the bars and danced my heart away but last night, I had no desire to both with people and their trifles and drunkenly sang along to the Beatles all night and there is nothing wrong with that. Do what YOU want to do (unless that something is transferring, of course) and you'll be much happier. My friend who is constantly working so hard and trying (with little success) to fit in with the mainstream student body here and gain respect from his peers is undoubtedly the unhappiest person I've ever met in my life.</p>
<p>Okay, I'm going to go eat so I apologize for how rambling and coherent that was. PM me sometime if you want. We can talk about this even more without the Cornellian fundamentalists ripping us to shreds. lol Good luck!</p>
<p>Also, I should mention to everyone that I'm really happy to be here. The school has a seemingly endless amount of resources and opportunities to take advantage of and I'd recommend it to anyone that knew what they wanted out of life. I am not here to pick a fight. I just like to offer any semblance of help that I can when I get the chance.</p>
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Muffin, I think I do feel your pain to some extent. I'm at Cornell right now and I'm a student that transferred INTO Cornell for the sake of studying some pretty esoteric and strange things that couldn't be taught at many other places. And I must say, this is truly a very strange place. I'll give a brief outline of a few of the things I've noticed. </p>
<p>As someone NOT from NYC, New England, California the suburbs, an upper-middle class background, a prep school or a very educated background my interactions with the average members of the student body have been an intense and sometimes depressing culture shock. (I'm sorry if I've offended any of the Cornell fanboys/fangirls out there, but the sooner you come to grips with the relative homogeneity of schools like this the better.) I have a fair amount of people that seem to like me and try to befriend me but I don't think they pick up on just how hard I struggle with actually finding things to talk to them about without being critical, or "negative" as you like to say. I try to keep my mouth shut for the sake of not offending people who seem to be pretty nice. </p>
<p>So with that little bit of information, understand that you are not alone. However, I will go on: </p>
<p>I've befriended many transfers while here and I also worked here over the summer and got to know many residents of Ithaca and some of the staff that work here. Many of the transfers that I've met carry themselves in manners FAR more different that most of the ordinary students. I won't talk about this any longer but do understand that there are tons of other people like you scattered about this campus. Also, some of the staff here are some of the kindest people I've ever met and are always willing to give you a different (usually positive but not always) perspective of the school. They've been here for years and have seen so much and seen the campus change so much. I suspect that they'll have a better grasp of this school, it's mission and its character than any student or tour guide.</p>
<p>Secondly, stop faking. Just STOP. I'll tell you something. There is far more misery lurking around this place than people let on. The student body generally has a pretty happy (and sometimes tepid) face but people are actually under a lot of pressure (usually from their psychotic parents who are in many cases living vicariously through their children) to be visible and active. Then there's the universal factor of peer pressure. Many people go to the same places, do the same things and talk about the same things on their weekends and such. No one really does this consciously but there's a shame culture here that mercilessly excommunicates anyone that seems too gloomy and pensive a killjoy OR anyone that is seen as too childish, hyperactive or silly. I guess this is a fact of life in the professional and business world, though. Point is, you have to break yourself from that mentality. Last weekend, I went out to the bars and danced my heart away but last night, I had no desire to both with people and their trifles and drunkenly sang along to the Beatles all night and there is nothing wrong with that. Do what YOU want to do (unless that something is transferring, of course) and you'll be much happier. My friend who is constantly working so hard and trying (with little success) to fit in with the mainstream student body here and gain respect from his peers is undoubtedly the unhappiest person I've ever met in my life.</p>
<p>Okay, I'm going to go eat so I apologize for how rambling and coherent that was. PM me sometime if you want. We can talk about this even more without the Cornellian fundamentalists ripping us to shreds. lol Good luck!</p>
<p>Also, I should mention to everyone that I'm really happy to be here. The school has a seemingly endless amount of resources and opportunities to take advantage of and I'd recommend it to anyone that knew what they wanted out of life. I am not here to pick a fight. I just like to offer any semblance of help that I can when I get the chance.
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Hm, well, I'm not sure if you consider me as one of these "Cornellian fundamentalists" (whatever that means), as I have been vocal with my criticisms of Cornell, but, I find much of your post accurate. </p>
<p>I'm a new transfer as well and many of your observations are true. There does seem to be a hidden melancholy here, because everyone is peer-pressured into putting on a socialite/debutante pretense and acting far dumber and inarticulate than they actually are. Those who don't or are in any way contemplative are indeed excluded. Also, most of the girls I've met are inordinately vapid and have not even a shred of self-esteem because the sorority culture forces them to dispense with original judgment. They have to get their friends' approval to do anything, which is pitiful.</p>
<p>That being said, Cornell has so many students that it doesn't seem like it's hard to find people who share your interests--it just might take some time. And of course, the academics and almost everything except the social culture are pretty awesome.</p>
<p>However none of this excuses GreenForest's behavior. My beef was with him, for trying to use the OP's problem to further his irrational anti-Cornell agenda. Apparently he expected Cornell's weight alone to magically hand him a six-figure salary or book deal or something despite demonstrating nothing to deserve it...Not any reason to shamelessly frighten prospective students/freshmen into avoiding Cornell.</p>
<p>In short, GreenForest you probably hated Cornell because you failed to make any friends or graduated with a crap GPA. A lot of stuff you said about Cornell is obviously illogical and I think it is you who is showing resentment and negative bias in arguments, not others.</p>
<p>Is it true that 65 percent of Cornell graduates work in finance? What about the rest? Grad school?</p>
<p>Actually, patlees88, GreenForest claims Cornell was far too easy and didn't challenge him/her with its outdated ideas and curriculum, so I suppose Greenforest had a perfect 4.0...</p>
<p>no, really, if Cornell is that pathetic, then what does that say about most universities across the U.S and the world that are far less selective, demanding, and not as well respected? Once again, I didn't attend the college, but if Cornell is a bad school, then 99% of colleges must be remarkably terrible. I do understand GreenForest's complaint that Cornell is expensive, but tons of private universities are just as expensive or more expensive, and ranked much lower....think of Fordham, NYU, GW, American, all the really expensive LAC's...it's not like Cornell's tuition is unheard of in the world of private schools. </p>
<p>Now, if you want to argue that any college which is so expensive is simply not worth the money, and it's better to go to a state/public school in the long run, that may be a valid point.</p>
<p>"Is it true that 65 percent of Cornell graduates work in finance? What about the rest? Grad school?"</p>
<p>Cornell University undergraduate employment by sector:</p>
<p>Finance - 21%
Consulting - 14%
General Business - 12%
Tech - 6%
Retail - 5%
Manufacturing - 5%
Law - 4%
Insurance - 1%</p>
<p>Public Sector/Nonprofit:
Education - 10%
Government - 6%
Other nonprofit - 3%
Labor - 1%</p>
<p>Grad schools:
Law - 17%
Engineering - 17%
Medicine - 16%
Bio sciences - 11%
Health Fields other than medicine - 4%
Vet School - 4%
Compu science - 3%
Business - 3%
Education - 2%</p>
<p>Employers hiring the most Cornell University undergraduates:
1. Citigroup
2. Cornell University
3. Goldman Sachs & Co.
4. IBM Business Consulting
5. JPMorgan Chase & Co.
6. Lehman Brothers
7. Morgan Stanley
8. Peace Corps
9. Teach for America
10. US Navy</p>
<p>Source: 2007/2008 Cornell Career Services Career Guide</p>
<p>Cornell is lucky b/c of it's Ivy status.
Isn't it time we judge Ivy schools on an individual level, and not as a group? Cornell is really benefiting a lot from HYP, just for being in a same football conference as them.</p>
<p>But we are judging it as an individual school, certainly not like HYP. The thing is, even if Cornell weren't Ivy league and didn't have that affiliation, it would still be a highly competitive, selective school where thousands would go for an excellent education. It's not like if Cornell was dropped from the Ivy leage, it would sink down to the depths of Wyoming community college (no offense to anyone who go's there, I was just making up a random example, don't know if it's a real school!)</p>