<p>Back-ups to all my statements you cut and pasted? Ha ha ha...</p>
<p>I simply addressed a particular gender as a way of convenience. It's YOU who's weird to not pointing that out right away and gripe about it sheepishly after numerous posts... People like you are why someone like muffin17 wants to get out of the netherworld of Cornell. All you have displayed so far are your cutting and pasting skills and your incessant anger at alternative opinions--opinions, do you get both the implicit and explicit meanings of that word?</p>
<p>greenforest, you seem to really despise Cornell and feel you weren't challenged there. As a prospective student, that makes me really nervous...are classes there really easy?
I'm not a student there so I don't really know anything about the difficulty of classes. I have friends who attend Cornell who say that coursework is challenging there and that they have to study hard, and they're fairly smart people. I guess either my friends are in the minority, or you're really intelligent/hardworking and managed a perfect gpa because you felt it wasn't challenging enough.
Can you give me an exampe as to how Cornell is 'outdated'? Again, I'm not arguing that it is or isn't, I'm a prospective student who is genuinally curious. I'm not interested in film, so I don't care if they have a film program or not.
Also, were you a Cornell transfer, or did you attend it all 4 years?</p>
<p>This thread is ridiculous. Greenforest didn't have a good experience at Cornell. Point taken. Gomestar obviously really likes Cornell. Again, point taken.</p>
<p>GreenForest,
I have visited Cornell. In fact, I almost went there. Cornell is supposed to be the hardest (gradingwise) of the ivies, so when you say you weren't challenged...it makes me wonder...</p>
<p>But that's beside the point. I don't think anyone needs to defend Cornell. It speaks for itself.</p>
<p>"Back up to all my statements you cut and pasted? Ha ha ha..."</p>
<p>Anything at all. You've made a lot of stupid comments and I'm totally open to their validity - assuming you can prove them. I've asked you several times, back up what you have said!!</p>
<p>molly4119 - ask this at the Cornell forum, don't waste your time with this person. He's made ridiculous statement that I've proven wrong, and I'm still waiting for him to show how Cornell is outdated.</p>
<p>Molly, I attended all four years and was not a transfer.</p>
<p>My opinion, which gomestar has a hard time understanding, is that Cornell is not worth the money you'll be paying for. You really have to ask yourself, specifically what you want to get out of the school. If you simply want to get a great general ed and figure out what you want to do with your life later on, why spend so much money? You can get just as good of a education at a state level. There are few departments at Cornell that are indeed up there, but that's usually at the graduate school level which is completely different. Cornell once earned its name for it's stellar liberal arts and humanities courses, but that was pre 1970s. Case in point, amazing people like Vonnegut and Morrison both went to Cornell but that was in the 40s and the 50s. Plus, Morrison was a grad student there. There were a whole slew of people in the 30s 40s and 50s who were there as undergraduates and went on to go far in their careers. They went there to go after the stars and Cornell enabled them. But that was back then. </p>
<p>When I was attending Cornell, the focus of many of the classes were off, stale theories that were already hashed few decades ago. Many of the professors were still clinging onto many outdated modes of learning which were many times not practical in the 21st Century or simply obsolete. They really clung to the 20th Century Modernist approach to matters that deserved 21st Century point of view. We have been in the post-modern and information age for decades now.</p>
<p>Graduate school is different, because your focus is much more narrow and accelerated, but even the professional school are not up there with even schools like UCLA or USC. Johnson School of management? Please... Cornell Law? Mediocre...Cornell's medical school, which is highly regarded, by the way, is not in Ithaca, which makes a huge difference. The undergrad Engineering department is by far one of the largest departments on campus. But my friend told me that they are geared towards 20th Century engineering and had a hard time keeping up with what as happening in the Silicon Valley.</p>
<p>Cornell isn't the hardest grading-wise of the top schools.
Cornell just somehow gained an especially bad rep.</p>
<p>I compared the grading systems for math/science classes between Cornell and Duke with friends who go to Cornell and it turned out that it was about the same.</p>
<p>One of my best friends loves Cornell actually. He's part of the CALS Program though- I don't know if that makes a difference.</p>
<p>GreenForest: Cornell law mediocre? Maybe it's at the bottom of the T14 but otherwise- any law school in the T14 is awesome!</p>
<p>My brother and cousins have gone to Harvard, Yale, or U of Penn. They don't consider Cornell Law to be up there, even against UCLA. And I agree... My friend who did go to Cornell as undergrad. ended up going to UCLA Law and did not even want to apply to Cornell. His father, who's a Harvard Law grad recommended against it. He felt that they didn't really grasp the current legal ongoings that are crucial to thriving in the legal field.</p>
<p>Mondo, I'm not surprised that Cornell is at the same level as Duke in math and science. Duke by no means is an inferior school, but Cornell needs to up their standards to really shine above the rest.</p>
<p>^In terms of Cornell Law, it really matters by your personal preferences.
If going to law school in an urban environment is a must, then UCLA would be considered over Cornell.
Otherwise, Cornell is a great choice for law school- most people who attend Cornell end up working in NYC anwyay.</p>
<p>OMG, your brothers and cousins went to other schools. I can't think of more solid proof than that!!! You should talk to them every once in a while, maybe they can help you with your horrible reasoning and logic skills.</p>
<p>Mondo, I think Cornell Law is better than, let's say, University of Florida's Law school, but it really ranks lower than some other schools like UCLA, which is a state university.</p>
<p>Okay, at this point, gomestar is totally incomprehensible and cannot even string together decent sentences that actually have a point. Obviously, he fell into the trap of coming to Cornell and now he feels he got a raw deal inside. Yeah, that pill is very hard to swallow and thus I understand his need to boost Cornell.</p>
<p>I think it is a shame whenever someone is so bitter about their alma mater. I would question why someone would be so bitter and not have done something about it - by either trying to change the school or transfer to a school that is a better fit. There is no excuse to let any circumstance or anyone to make you so unhappy for four year. When you are 18-23, you are suppose to have the sense of able to change the world. If you couldn't even change your surrounding to make yourself happy, how could you be expected to change the world. </p>
<p>With that said, I think OP should give Cornell(or any school) a chance. I don't think you should call it a quite after only have been there for 6 weeks. We are living in a global world. It is to your benefit that you could live outside of your familiar environment. It takes a lot inner strength and sense of security to be away from your family. Even if you were to transfer to a school that's closer to home, I would not encourage you to go home every weekend. College is a time for you to meet different people and have different experience. It is more than academic, it is the whole experience. It is a time for you to learn to make decisions on your own and be self sufficient.</p>
<p>It was a gloomy day at Cornell today - too bad for the Homecoming. This is also a weekend where most events are for alumni. But Bill Maher is going to be there on Sun. I am a fan. I can't get my daughter to go because she has too much work - 3 prelims and a paper next week.</p>
<p>"but it really ranks lower than some other schools like UCLA, which is a state university."</p>
<p>Actually, Cornell law ranks 12th. UCLA ranks 16th. Any comment on this?</p>
<p>And the Johnston school ranks directly behind Yale University.</p>
<p>"gomestar is totally incomprehensible and cannot even string together decent sentences"
If you can't understand what I'm trying to say - well, then you're a complete idiot. Sorry.</p>
<p>I'm talking about ranking within the legal community with the top firms, one of them my friend's dad works for. Just like how Mondo compared the quality of Duke math/science classes to Cornell through his friends. You can't always rely on these rankings that are published in $15 newsprint paperbacks or something you can google easily. People in the industries rely on their experiences with people who have graduated from certain school and they share that information with others.</p>
<p>Gomestar, I'm gonna go extra slow for you because you are always just cutting and pasting or googling this sort of data that's not readily available to the public...</p>
<p>I see gomestar found another BIG word to use against me "idiot." Ha ha ha. You should read more while you're in college, it actually helps you when you're out in the real world...</p>
<p>"You can't always rely on these rankings"
They're much better than your uneducated opinion. At least they have a system, not your scientific high-school style "well I have a friend who once said..."</p>
<p>Obviously gomestar doesn't grasp how the world really works, so I'll just let him pore over the US News and World Report he desperately clings onto. He doesn't understand that anyone with a high school education and a computer can access any one of the "data" that he claims to be insightful...</p>
<p>It's better than your imaginary rankings. My experience in the real world has been quite different from yours - I'm not sure about this "real world" you talk about, you claim to know an aweful lot about law firms and their inside recruitment strategies even though you've never attended anything close to law school. Interesting.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I usually focus on the "peer assessment rating" from the rankings. This is where top education and recruiting professoinals give their opinion on the college. It's kind of like what your cousin says, except it's legitimate. Cornell has consistently ranked ahead of half of its Ivy peers, including Brown, Dartmouth and Penn.</p>
<p>GreenForest, thanks for the reply. I'm sorry you had such a terrible time at Cornell; no offense but why didn't you just transfer out to a highly ranked state school? You would have saved money and probably been happier. As for me, my parents are already paying way too much for a school which is less competitive than Cornell, but more expensive, so I might use my GT to Cornell. </p>
<p>If the OP is still reading this thread, I would advise you apply for transfer. It sounds like you're miserable, and I can understand homesickness, but you seem very upset. Plus if by the end of the year, things are looking up, you can always choose to stay at Cornell rather than take the transfer. Good luck!</p>
<p>Gomestar, obviously you don't have ears or don't know how to use them. You use them to listen to important information when people who know what they're talking about speak. Plus, it helps to make friends in college, which you don't have a clue about...</p>