<p>What's that definition of insanity again, Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result? Here we go again, more insanity because some are so entrenched in there thoughts no matter what you write is going to open their eyes.</p>
<p>It is really easy to subcribe to the notion that blacks are being admitted in high numbers or over "more deserving" non-URMs at selective schools but it is another thing to know what those numbers actually flesh out to. Considering that black students are not applying to these schools no where near the number that there white and asioan counter parts are, one would be really hard pressed to find more than 100 black students entering an elite institution at any given time. </p>
<p>From the JHBE article</p>
<p>The Progress of Black Student Enrollments at the Nation's Highest-Ranked Colleges and Universities </p>
<p>(I can't post the link but if you are a subscriber, you can access the information)</p>
<p>Fall 2005 (class of 2009)</p>
<p>Stanford 252 blacks admitted 156 enrolled black yeild 61.9 % 9.5 % of the freshman class </p>
<p>Duke 1867 black applicants, 163 blacks enrolled 9.5 % of the admitted class</p>
<p>Princeton 116 blacks enrolled 9.4 % of the freshman class</p>
<p>harvard 221 admitted, 153 enrolled black yeild 69.2 9.3% of the freshman class</p>
<p>Yale 1134 black applicants 122 enrolled 9.2% of the admitted class</p>
<p>columbia 1390 black applicants 114 enrolled 8.5% of the admitted class</p>
<p>Gerogrtown 1092 applied 300 admitted acceptance rate 30.2% 121 enrolled, yeild 36.7% 7.9% of the freshman class</p>
<p>Dartmouth 82 enrolled 7.9% of the freshman class</p>
<p>Penn 1229 applicants, 367 admitted 29.9 acceptance rate 193 enrolled 52.6 black yeild 7.6% of the freshman class</p>
<p>Brown 1089 applied 253 admitted 23.2 black acceptance rate 97 enrolled 38.3 yeild 6.6% of the freshman class</p>
<p>JHU 943 applied 343 admitted 36.5 admit rate 75 enrolled 21.8% black yeild 6.3% of the freshman class</p>
<p>Cornell 1126 applied 410 admitted 36.4 admit rate 175 enrolled 42.7 yeild rate 5.6% of the admitted class</p>
<p>MIT 365 applied 115 admitted 31.5 admit rate 55 enrolled 47.8& yeild 5.5% of freshman class</p>
<p>WashU 1884 applied 253 admitted 13.4% acceptance rate 76 enrolled 30% yeild 5.4 % of freshman class </p>
<p>U of Chicago 424 applied 53 enrolled 4.4 % of freshman class </p>
<p>UC Berkley 1572 applied 272 admitted 18.6 % admit rate 129 enrolled 44.2 yeild 3.1% of freshman class </p>
<p>Cal tech 40 applied 1 enrolled .04% of the freshman class</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jbhe.com/pdf/2005freshmensurvey.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.jbhe.com/pdf/2005freshmensurvey.pdf</a></p>
<p>The numbers who have applied is a really small drop in the bucket when you compare these numbers against the numbers of non-URMs who apply. What are we talking about somewhere between 30 to 50 non-urm applicants for every african american who applies?
So from a percentage perspective, African Americans are a higher chance of being admitted, but the their numbers are not increasing. </p>
<p>I have watched over the past 3 admissions cycles here on CC (and I know it is not representative of the entire pool of candides) that there are many african american students that are bringing scores to the table that are comprable to their counter parts. Unless you know the actual scores of every single minority student it is disingenuous to paint each minority student using such broad strokes .</p>
<p>Another thing people fail to notice that an over whelming majority of African Americans in elite colleges are the children of recent AA american immigrants from the carribean and Africa. So even the number of african americans who are not the children of recent immigrants but whose families have been in the U.S. multiple generations is smaller still.</p>