<p>Hi guys! I'm an International student from a very underrepresented country I have incredible extracurricular s a great SAT >2300, but I have a low GPA (3.0). Now with this stats I don't think I could get in to Yale but I have an exceptional writing talent and am planning on publishing my first thriller novel this summer or at the beginning of next year. As I've heard from most people I let review my book ,they said it excels every thriller book on paper right now in our country let alone books written by authors of my age(if there are any)</p>
<p>But there's one problem, I'm graduating from high school this year and I can't transfer from a local college to Harvard next year (b/c of curriculum rules). I am planning to deffer the coming year from whichever college(local) takes me in to finish my book and do all the publication. Besides It will give me the chance to apply to Yale and other top schools for freshmen year. So what I want to hear from you guys is what are my chances as an international student and also is it possible to do what i explained earlier in order to apply for freshmen year?</p>
<p>You can clearly see the green dots even under the 3.0 GPA margin line. As I have read these kind of students aren't even compared with the whole applicant pool, they are simply compared with the students of similar remarkable talents, therefore have a great chance of getting accepted.I am talking about the whole holistic admission thing and how it benefits me more than any body.</p>
<p>It even says ---don't give up hope of getting into Princeton if you don't have a 4.0 and a 2400 on the SAT. Harvard has holistic admissions, and they are looking for students who bring to campus more than good grades and test scores. Students who have some kind of remarkable talent or have a compelling story to tell will get a close look even if grades and test scores aren't quite up to the ideal.</p>
<p>And as of the competition between my fellow international students I don't think they have published a thriller novel with great reviews so far. So don't you think I am more competitive than them?</p>
<p>Who do you think will get admitted to Yale the Asian with amazing ECs, perfect SATs a 4.0 GPA or the student whose country is extremely underrepresented at Yale plus with incredible ECs, great SATs,a 3.0 GPA, but above all a critically admired published author from an unexpected developing country? Thanks in advance for all your comments.</p>
<p>@didimos :Do you have to go to one of those 3 or the extremely top schools (that don’t let many people in regardless of how good they are)? Your writing can thrive/be recognized at any other top school with to writing faculty (several liberal arts schools, Emory and Washington University are known to be some of the best place for writers…I mean come on, can you keep an open mind?)…And those schools tend to prefer those who are near perfect on paper. Perfect on paper with the “amazing” EC’s you describe gives you the best chance no matter your ethnicity although it is highly probably that both types will be denied admission. Doesn’t really matter if you see some green for your category and have “rare country” as a hook. Also, if interviewed, I would be more humble. You aren’t the only who has been published and has gotten good reviews. One girl who went to Emory (now at Vanderbilt medical school) had already published books in high school and one was/is actually being turned into a Disney series or special. </p>
^^ Very true. For, example: I know of one current Yale student who had her play produced on Broadway to rave reviews when she was in high school. Or, how about these current Yale students: <a href=“Most Impressive Students at Yale”>Most Impressive Students at Yale;
<p>Also I don’t think the case of the Emory girl applies for me. I really think I am very different. Even some elder writers have read my yet to be published book and cried in front of me realizing my talents. I don’t mean to be so full of my self but I had to tell the truth. Sorry if my previous post wasn’t a humble one. I didn’t mean it. I just mistakenly copied and pasted it from another forum in which I think some guy underestimated my talents. </p>
<p>And this same guy happened to post another one on this forum. Hey my friend gibby no offence but I really find your post(both at the Harvard forum and here) insulting because honestly I am yet to sell millions of copies in my country when my book will be out. And that will hopefully be soon. You seem to be exaggerating the top caliber of currently admitted HY students that I won’t have any chance getting in.I am also a big admirer of their rigor,I really am but at the end of the day we all know that HY will choose to admit the student on the top of a magazine cover eventhough he’s got a 3.0
GPA. And always remember ‘nothing is impossible ; even the word impossible says I’m possible’</p>
<p>Again sorry guys if I sounded arrogant. But I really want to know my chances and whether the thing I mentioned about differing next year and applying for freshmen year would workout. Isn’t it possible or is it simply improbable?
thank you!!</p>
What you’re not understanding is that no one on College Confidential (or anywhere else) can predict your chances – that’s because the process is totally subjective. When schools like HYPS reject 94 out of 100 students, anyone that claims to predict your chances is a charlatan or a liar. You just need to send your applications out into the universe and see where the chips fall. </p>
<p>tnxs
but what is CC for then? I am not asking for people to tell me I am definitely going to get in but how would be my chances compared to others. It could be hypotheticaly.</p>
Hypothetically then, your chances are equal to a college’s overall acceptance rate. That’s the honest answer.</p>
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It’s a place where students like you begin to understand the college applications process from people like me and @bernie12 who have been through it already with our kids and can provide some form of guidance. You can choose to believe us or not.</p>
<p>And I would add, regarding spamming the HYPS forums with duplicate threads, all of these schools use ‘holistic’ admissions and all are looking for the same things, outstanding individuals both academically and in other pursuits. All are not going to give the same results due to differences in the applicant pool, institutional needs for a specific year, etc., but there is absolutely no reason to post on all individual college forums. Instead, you should have posted a consolidated thread on the College Search & Selection forum. If you don’t in the future, members are likely to either discount your questions or simply report your threads.</p>
<p>While I agree with gibby that chancing is at best charlatan’s work, I do however feel that your odds of being accepted at HYPS are reduced if you have an interview. That’s assuming that you come across in person as you do in a forum, which might not be a valid assumption to make.</p>
<p>The level of arrogance in your post is off-putting at best, and will greatly diminish your chances if this is how you come across in your essays.</p>
<p>@gibby : It is also assumed that all applicants reported their status. Is that the case. In addition, those amazing people they described at Yale (which do exist at other elites) probably had high GPA’s in high school. Did their profiles tell their entering credentials? I am willing to bet most of them did not have a 3.0 (or even below a 3.3). However, I would propose that while Yale and Stanford are hard, they technically have more than enough grade inflation (I think Stanford still refuses to give failing grades, but am not sure. Very reluctant to even give D’s) so as to easily support someone who had a relatively low GPA unless they plan to go into science. Also, the 2300 doesn’t mean that darn much to these schools after a certain point. It shows that you write really well, can do multiple choice tests well, but could care less to keep a HS GPA at decent levels. Given that, regardless of talent, it will still be an uphill battle. Again many people had high talent in niche/singular areas (science, math, humanities, social science, business art) also got decent or excellent GPA’s and very solid test scores.</p>
<p>OP: Did anyone in your high school have an ‘A’ average? If so, why
did you have a ‘B’ average? Was it a lack of ability or lack of drive? With a ‘B’ average, all super selective colleges will question if you can hack the work load on their campus. Will your high school ‘B’ translate to a ‘C’ or ‘D’ at their school? Are you capable of reading 300 pages a week, writing at the college level, can you (or will you) spend 30+ hours a week on your Psets and contribute to the classroom conversation with thoughtful opinions?All selective colleges will be reading your teacher recommendations carefully to see if they think you could compete with the best of the best. With a 3.0 GPA your teacher recs will be more important than your published book!</p>
<p>One of my friends has published two books and been featured on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360” 3 times and got rejected from Yale. She also had a great GPA and a 2270.</p>
<p>She did get into Harvard, though. Echoing the others, and seen in her example, it’s a total crapshoot, but grades are super important. If you have a 3.0, they’ll likely wonder about your ability to excel within Yale’s academic environment. </p>
<p>@gibby
I think I could get excellent rec.s from my English teacher and counselor. And also I could ask the man I mentioned earlier(the current #1 besseller in our country) to write me one besides it would be a plus factor coming from him. So if you say my rec.s are more important than my book,I think I got that one covered.</p>
<p>And my low GPA didn’t come from a lack of ability it honestly came from me getting ill a serious illness every now and then in the previous years. And I think the admissions will take that under consideration once I tell them. And most of all I have kept an incredible pace of EC’s and Voluntary work(>300 hrs) throughout these years. And my classmates didn’t even consider doing such things even in their healthy days. I am also very good at soccer and helped my school team win HS championships every year since the 8th grade. And I was captain for 2years. Besides I can bet no applicant in my country has great ECs like me not even close. And above that I’ve the top SAT score in my country.</p>
<p>Now that it seems I’m getting healthier, I 've been working so hard this last semester and certainly my rank will be at the top3%.
The other thing is the last semester exam in 12th grade here in my country which is called the MODEL EXAM comes from all the chapters of grade 11 and 12 so that it will help us prepare well for the coming National exam. I’m also planning on scoring the top1% in my country so I am working extremely hard.</p>
<p>And for those of you guys who don’t think I am humble, as I said earlier I am very humble in person and I won’t be that silly on my applications and interviews. I just got mad from an earlier post and copy pasted my answers in this forum that’s all.</p>
<p>So what do you think of all this?
thanks!!!</p>
I don’t think a single respondent across each of the posts you’ve made has not warned you about the 3.0GPA as being a mill stone. What are you looking for? Someone to say “Wow! You’ve got a GREAT chance! You’re SO interesting!”</p>
<p>IMHO, you have less than the average chance of 6%. If you don’t like that, stop asking</p>
<p>I like your spunk Didimos! I’m sure you are an absolute lock for these schools already, no need to worry about it on a forum.</p>
<p>And if God forbid these schools are dumb enough to not accept you, I wouldn’t even bother going to another college, I would just rest on my laurels as a soon to be published author in a country that no one has ever heard of.</p>
<p>Besides, I have heard the second tier Ivy’s and their garbage quality of education have just been positively flooded with plebians lately anyways.</p>
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