<p>My school? Some of the students work so hard I want to freakin' cry for them.... She is not one of them.</p>
<p>Why call my classmates brats when they choose to work for things rather than expect to just be handed them on a silver platter?</p>
<p>I actually know her class rank and SATs, but will be keeping them confidential.</p>
<p>No offense, just from observing your posts it seems that the illwill that you are extending to her has more to do than her admission in to Columbia. It seems like you have some other problem with her</p>
<p>Well, initially I was just curious as to what these people do at Ivies. Other than that I'm really more cheesed at the college and the system, to be quite honest. And the acceptee? Meh... it isn't really worth it to describe how I feel about her, or how I think she's completely lacking in character and just a fake. Most likely I'll get some response akin to "OH! SHE'S PROBABLY DONE A WHOLE LOT OF SERVICE AND CRAP YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT! I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HER AND YOU DO!!!"</p>
<p>I think the attitude you've just shown in this post is the biggest reason--and a good reason--for Columbia to reject you.</p>
<p>To original poster.</p>
<p>all i can say is don't judge someone who u don't really know anything about. There might be a different side of her you don't know. From your perspective i shouldn't deserve my acceptance to Columbia. To that, while i will say that a lot of more qualified didn't get in, i don't believe that i don't deserve admissions.</p>
<p>Who are you to say she's unqualified?</p>
<p>Ummm...</p>
<p>"...it isn't really worth it to describe how I feel about her, or how I think she's completely lacking in character and just a fake. Most likely I'll get some response akin to "OH! SHE'S PROBABLY DONE A WHOLE LOT OF SERVICE AND CRAP YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT! I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HER AND YOU DO!!!"</p>
<p>That does make you sound a bit irrational. But, you must also remember there are exceptions to every rule. By focusing on the college (Columbia) it looks like you are uspet about the decision rather than the way people are overly dependent on rank, prestige, etc...which are foisted on to us by society and our parents.</p>
<p>Perhaps talking about the system and having a dialog about that, you'd be treated kinder. By reacting to and attacking the girl, you undermine your cause. I'm sure that you're pretty bright. Take a deep breath and try to stay mellow. I know it's hard to do, but it doesn't alienate people, and they'll listen to you more readily.</p>
<p>Just an opinion.
IB</p>
<p>isle boy 4 prez</p>
<p>t488:</p>
<p>Heh-heh. :)</p>
<p>Gotta find me a good theme song...any ideas???</p>
<p>IB</p>
<p>How about "Puff the Magic Dragon?"</p>
<p>I've discussed how I believe she is underqualified in most respects--including her character--and these have been interpreted as attacks. I'd have to discuss the belief that she's underqualified in order to discuss the system. Call them attacks, but I'm using them as evidence to prove an argument.</p>
<p>Gran:</p>
<p>You could use statistical stuff from different websites, books or magazines (e.g. Common Data Set, non-fiction books, articles, Collegeboard and other related studies). Because only you know the girl (and we don't), we'd have to neccessarily have to make many assumptions. Because of that, the data you present becomes less reliable. Don't miss interpret me, but if you give people other sources of data (that cooberate the assertion), they'd be more inclined to listen. Just think of it as a paper you would write for a politics class...you'd have to marshall evidence that reinforces your position without relying on yourself as the source.</p>
<p>I have particular feelings about some of my peers at HS, but try not to base my thoughts on their actions alone. It maybe that they are statistical anamolies. And, because of that, basing an arguement that depends on an individual can be less robust than a larger group or say an experiment or study or article.</p>
<p>Again, just an opinion.</p>
<p>IB</p>
<p>t488:</p>
<p>Puff...that might be a cause for a Senate inquiry. They definately ask if I inhale or not. ;)</p>
<p>IB</p>
<p>Obviously I can't do that without completely splurging this person's anonymity. </p>
<p>There's not much more to say on this topic anyway. I think I know why she got in; if correct, I disapprove, but there's a reason behind it which has to do with the college profitting in some way and it cannot be changed, therefore I'm supposed to accept, even venerate it; I'm posting because I live vicariously through a classmate of mine whom I believe was a better candidate and am therefore jealous; My class is consequently full of spoiled brats who work hard to earn meaningless numbers that signify absolutely nothing; The acceptee is validated as an innocent and intelligent young anomoly because Columbia accepted her; A human's validity and decency are quantified solely by the Ivy League Universites; Humanity is essentially divided into two tiers: the righteous and innocent, who are revealed when they attend Ivy Leage Schools, and the jealous, pernicious masses, who don't.</p>
<p>I don't even understand why I posted all this crap to begin with, or why I care. I'm like a nihilist, anyway.</p>
<p>Well then, Granfallooner finally looked at some of my posts....</p>
<p>Did I tell you guys about the funny little dilemma she had trying to get recommendations?</p>
<p>Dooohhh, here I go again, old mumbling crone that I am. Good night!</p>
<p>Heh-heh...that's how I feel sometimes.</p>
<p>Can get way caught up on CC, especially when someone gets my goat. :)</p>
<p>CC will be here tomorrow.
IB.</p>
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<p>_> Everyone is jumped on the bandwagon on bashing Granfallooner.</p>
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<p>I stand up for Granfallooner. Because I have a vaguely similar circumstance happening in my midst. Well, not really same, but...</p>
<p>A girl at my school is claiming to have gotten into Princeton and Yale and who knows what else. Now, she's not stupid, per se. She's not the absolute most scum. She's not the most annoying person I can think of, per se. Let's call her Susan for confidentiality. Susan is a gossip queen, has no particular talent to speak of, likes to push work onto other people, and fake to the core. Her SAT and GPA couldn't have been bad, but cannot be top-notch. She isn't active in any particular club or organization at school. I'm currently her lab partner, and I approached with all neutrality when I first knew her 2-3 years ago. I'm not the only one to speak negatively of her; everyone else bashes so much more harshly on her. I've tried to justify her.
Now, there is another student at my school, who I didn't used to like (used to think he was scary), who I used to think er, less of, who I now completely admire, and is one of our two valedictorians (we don't have salutarians, but we have multiple valedictorians. go figure.) He is very very talented, musical, very active in community service, and a great guy. He's a fellow editor in our school newspaper, blahblahblah, and has a quiet reporter-like demeaner but very funny and great personality once you delve a little deeper. </p>
<p>Now, Mr. Valedictorian #2 is in all respects "better" than Susan; don't you criticize me and try to be all "politically correct" and all. This is not just in "stats" or EC; this includes personality and all. Other people concur. Susan claims to have gotten into Princeton and Yale, whereas Mr. Valedictorian #2 got rejected from both and is kinda "forced" to go to brown and wait for stanford's waitlist (well, still a good school as it's an Ivy league school, but we all expected him OF COURSE to get into other schools).</p>
<p>It's really not just me who doubt Susan's honesty. If she really got in or not. Yesterday, my TOK teacher just said flatout that he wants to see the acceptance letter. He told her to bring the letter. Don't know what happened today, cause I'm not in her period (i'm in period 5 while she's in period 6).</p>
<p>And so, there are "double-u tee eff" cases.</p>
<p>In which the truly deserving ones get rejected. And the ... doubtful ones get in.</p>
<p>Don't get all "OOOH YOU NEVER KNOW, SHE MAY HAVE HAD SOME MAGICAL CRAZY THING YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. YOU DON'T KNOW HER WHOLE LIFE." deal on me. Even HAD she a magical edge to her, it would not make her more appealing than Mr. Valedictorian. No matter if she had written the best essay in the world (which she couldn't have pulled off on her own if she did), and Mr. Vale had a bad day and wrote crappy essay, it would not give her enough to make Susan a better candidate than him.</p>
<p>I ranted and rambled, but the key point is.</p>
<p>Granfalooner. I understand you. I sympathize with you. </p>
<p>And don't bag on and on about idealistic crap, you others. Think about it IRL. Don't know your high school community, but pick a despicable person you would admit isn't stupid but would not be Ivy-material and imagine that this person got into a school your valedictorian got rejected from. It might not work as well for everyone's case, but man, I'm sure a lot of you will understand the same "double-u tee eff" feeling then.</p>
<p>Well, I wanted to go to Yale pretty badly. Out of the 4-5 people who applied to Yale from our high school, I had the best grades and test scores, while another friend of mine had the most ECs (pretty good stuff too, not just high quantity). We both got rejected, and the beauty/popularity queen got in! She's one of the shallowest people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting and interacting with, and we both couldn't believe she got into Yale.</p>
<p>But such is life. What can I say about it that'll change anything? Maybe she really was more deserving. I'm not omniscient.</p>
<p>OOHHH YEAAA??? How Do UUUUU Knoww!??!?! Have UUUUU Ever Seeen Her SATS!?!?!??!?! She's Probably Smarter Then Uuuuuuu!! SHE PROBABLY SAVED TEH HUNGRY BABIES!!!!!!! NUUU!!!!!</p>