<p>^^
Yep, academic dishonesty is a biggie considering we are talking about college here lol. But the OP asked on either the first or second page if someone else would have done what he did. Most males said yes, most females said no. Big surprise?</p>
<p>Of course they care. But if it's justifiable to an extent, and you can show that you learned something from this event, it won't hurt that much.</p>
<p>If everyone reacted like the OP , lashing out and assualting someone, and the OP said it was for his image, not to look weak...then what a lovely world we would have</p>
<p>Why does me having daughters have anything to do with it...would we accept it if our Hs broke some guys nose because the guy threw a football at his face?</p>
<p>The Op wasn't in danger, he wasn't being bullied (and I HATE bullies), he was MAYBE the victim of a ball thrown at him....and he reacted with unwarranted violence...why didn't he just throw the ball BACK...and if we say, oh gee, its not such a bad thing, then any time someone feels "violated" accidently or otherwise, then bammo..is that what you want our highschools and colleges to be like?</p>
<p>If you can't control your temper as a senior in HS over a ball being thrown at you, then you maybe shouldn't be in college, you just aint mature enough</p>
<p>I think that the differences in opinions about this situation reflect maturity, not gender. Virtually all of the males who have supported the OP have been high school students. I think that the one adult male who has responded has not supported the OP.</p>
<p>The majority of the females who responded, didn't support the OP and also were moms. There also was at least one female student who didn't support the OP, but that, too, can reflect maturity because females mature earlier than do males.</p>
<p>I think that if you were to get more CC dads to respond, you would find that most would not agree with what the OP did.</p>
<p>CGM, if you don't know that you can't go around throwing balls at people's faces without getting hurt you're too naive for college. And since when were college students the epitome of maturity and un-naivete for lack of a better word. Also, CGM, I think you exaggerate things way too much. If everyone had to say "INSERT POLITE WORD(S) HERE" last what kind of world would we have? I seriously think you having daughters has a lot to do with it, maybe even everything. You don't know what it means to be around teenage guys. That's the truth.</p>
<p>NSM, I'd like to take you up on that bet. If we could have a poll about this, divided by gender and age I'd be interested to see what the results would be.</p>
<p>For the people that are trying to be the OP's parent, get off your high horse. He stood up for himself and did what he felt he had to do. </p>
<p>Being a guy, in most situations, you either stand up for yourself, or you get walked all over.</p>
<p>it was his FRIEND who threw the ball, do most guys beat up their friends to look macho?</p>
<p>and no you can't go around throwing balls in people faces, duh....but to get your nose broken for it...if you have to prove your manliness by beating people up, and in this case, both males were foolish, then you ain't much of a man</p>
<p>let me see, who looks silly here, the guy who threw the ball, or the guy who got suspended, and is lucky he isn't facing criminal charges and who possibly could get his admissions revoked because he lost his temper just so he didn't appear "weak"</p>
<p>I must say, I have been around a lot of HSers, male and female, and most will see something like a ball in the face of someone and not pay one bit of attention- most likely its, what a jerkl for throwing the ball, 20 seconds later...its all over, no body cares...except the person who decides to break a face because he is so concerned about what others MIGHT think....</p>
<p>At my Ds school kids have been suspended for similar incidents...you know what they say</p>
<p>What an idiot for hitting someone...and THAT gets talked about for longer then some slight incident of a ball in the face that is over in 10 seconds...</p>
<p>There was an event where someone was "dissed" and the next day, a gun was brought to a party to "get" the guy who did the "dissing" - now, no one cared about the offhand remark and slight tossling the day before, it was long forgotten, HOWEVER the "offended" party needed to prove he was tough...and someone ended up in the hospital...the guy that did the dissing, it was nothing, but ego's and image got the better of someone and he ended up in jail...who looked stupid then? did he come across as smart and tough and brave...nope, just stupid</p>
<p>Can you read cgm? This wasn't to look macho, it's just not to look like a wimp! As a guy you cannot let stuff like that happen to you without getting walked all over! How hard is it to get that point through your head? He's not "proving his manliness by beating people up", he's protecting his self respect by defending himself. It doesn't matter who the hell this guy is: friend, sibling, enemy, terrorist, Bush, ninja turtle.... If you cannot understand (I'm not saying agree) at least what point of view we're coming from, there's no point in continuing this discussion with you.</p>
<p>male, 17.</p>
<p>Look, we can all be "big men" here and say we don't take any sort of crap, if we are embarassed we are going to lash out in any way we can. However, there is a time to rise up and passionately act, and there is a time to be a pragmatist. </p>
<p>In this case, the retribution does not fit the original action (and intent doesn't count for anything). Lets say the thrower of the ball intended to hit the OP; the OP's reaction is simply incongruous. There are times when we all get embarassed, when the actions of others deem punishment. Yet a violent outburst not only often does not fit the crime, it shows a great deal of stupidity on the part of the aggressor.</p>
<p>If I were a college, I would be worried about the OP. I know I would not be very comfortable as his roomate, seeing as how not only is he clearly uncoordinated (I hope to have a roomate with some athletic talent), but his temper is out of control.</p>
<p>Addressing the pragmatism point, come on dude, call a wambulance but don't hit the guy in the face. College admission is more important than your pride, and honestly, the fact that your sitting alone on the side while other people are playing dodgeball speaks volumes to your social capacity already.</p>
<p>And this post has spiraled into a rant, I hope you people understand my sarcasm.</p>
<p>if you're crying about getting hit in the face with a dodgeball, then posting about it on college confidential, i would think it legitimate and necessary that you assert your manliness because it should be called into question.</p>
<p>100 man points deducted</p>
<p>(male 18)))</p>
<p>And Fred, you obviously get walked over all the time if this would be your response. Someone who generally gets some sort of respect wouldn't need to respond like this, because they already have a reputation and this accident, even if embarassing, is not that big of a deal in the end. Its gym class, come on. </p>
<p>And clearly, the OP is not being constantly bullied by this other kid (if this were the case you may have a point). They are aquaintences, and hurt pride or not, the OP's high school is probably not some Lord of the Flies place where by showing weakness he now has lost his place in the pecking order.</p>
<p>He got hit in the face with a friggin dodgeball. Sounds like it hurts to me. I feel for the OP because it seems to me he hit the other guy in a moment of rage. Its not like the other kid threw a stuffed animal at his face, it was a rubber ball. That hurts. For that moment after the initial impact, of course you are going to be .</p>
<p>I am not agreeing that breaking the kid's nose was the right thing to do, but it certainly is something that can be at least partially explained so as to lessen the punishment for it (in this case an admissions rescinded). In a court of law, if you assault someone that certainly is wrong, but your lawyer will try to argue that such an action doesn't deserve a full backlash of the law because such and such factors provoked it</p>
<p>"There was an event where someone was "dissed" and the next day, a gun was brought to a party to "get" the guy who did the "dissing" - now, no one cared about the offhand remark and slight tossling the day before, it was long forgotten, HOWEVER the "offended" party needed to prove he was tough...and someone ended up in the hospital..."</p>
<p>CGM's story reminds me of what happened to one of my former mentees, a young man from the hood who was a college freshman, and probably the only person in his neighborhood to go to college, went to a party where someone dissed his friend. So, my mentee drove his friend 17 miles back home so the friend could put an ouzie in the trunk. Mentee and friend drove back to the party, where my mentee popped his trunk so his friend could take out the gun. The friend shot up the outside of the house where the party had been, then they went back home.</p>
<p>The next afternoon, the police showed up at my mentee's part time after class job in a shoe store. A 16-year-old boy who was playing video games had been killed when the house was shot up.</p>
<p>My mentee was convicted of manslaughter and served prison time. Of course, he got off better than did the 16-year-old boy who was killed because some boy/men decided to take revenge after being dissed.</p>
<p>I know this will be hard for some of you to believe, but my mentee was a very nice person: smart, hard working, a very talented artist, a guy with the kind of athletic/movie star looks that could have put him on the front of GQ. He had everything going for him and messed up his life and destroyed someone else's because he wanted to salvage his image.</p>
<p>Another one of my mentees told me that before she was born, her 13-year-old brother was shot to death by his best friend in a dispute over a glass of water.</p>
<p>Just another example of why I think that punching someone because they threw a dodgeball into your face is an overreaction, and if I were the admissions officers who heard about this, I'd be seriously considering rescinding admission.</p>
<p>Heck, it's not that unusual for people to be accidentally hit in the face while playing dodgeball. Most aren't going to punch someone for doing that.</p>
<p>"So, if a person comes into your house and kills your husband, you will tell him to just leave? You would want that guy in freaking jail."</p>
<p>Hardly the same thing. And yes, I would want the guy in jail but that means due process, an arrest, a trial, etc. -- the analogy to your situation would be turning around and taking matters into my own hands which is unacceptable in our society. I'm the mom of four kids, three of whom are boys, and all of whom wore glasses growing up. More pairs of glasses were ruined by being hit in the face with balls over the years than I can even count. Kids throw balls and everyone gets hit with one sooner or later. It's not the same thing as pinning someone down, punching them deliberately, etc. And just exactly how would you look like an idiot if you walked away? It seems to me you looked more foolish breaking a guy's nose because a misdirected ball hit you in the face.</p>
<p>i know a guy who got kicked out of school in the middle of his senior for smoking pot. he had his acceptances rescinded from some schools, but 2 ivies didn't have a problem with it. in fact, he enrolled in one of them.</p>
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<li>If you can't distinguish between a gut reaction (hitting someone after you've had a ball thrown at you) and going to get a gun and shooting than you need a class in basic social science and/or psychology.</li>
<li>It's not that hard to break a nose, my friend did it to me accidentally last year during baseball practice.</li>
<li>This whole thing started about whether his acceptances would be rescinded.....and, frankly, the guy who started this thread needs to talk to his college counselor. I bet that his school is required to notify the colleges, in which case, he absolutely should write a letter explaining things. (And a letter from the 'victim' couldn't hurt.)</li>
<li>I know some kids who have had trouble with colleges after a disciplinary actions and some who haven't (including a kid who got into Brown after cheating and getting suspended soph. year)</li>
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<p>I agree that OP ought to talk with his guidance counselor. If he does need to explain the suspension to his schools he might want avoid the sort of "the guy had it coming" attitude he shows on this thread since that's not likely to go over too well.</p>