<p>Nice.... and true</p>
<p>But i'm still sticking with Chris Rock's view</p>
<p>Admittance to college should be based purely on merit. That being said it is unreasonable for colleges to expect students from poor inner city schools to be involved in numerous ECs so it is acceptable for colleges to overlook ECs in that case. Prospective students that experienced hardships (of any type be it financial or circumstantial) should be given allowments if they show that they have done the best they can for their situation. But to grant this right with such preference to URMs that it ignores non-minorities helps nobody, it only fosters the conception that race is a continually influencing factor.
And I am not a hater of AA, it is a novel idea that has had numerous successes, but it is in need of serious revision.</p>
<p>I am for AA, but I wish that we didn't need it. Instead of using AA, the government should fix its educational system. I know that my school district, which is predominately African American, is one of the worst districts when it comes to students receiving a diploma on time. My school is one of the best in the district; yet, I've never had a Spanish textbook in my four years of taking Spanish. I think that is very sad. AA is still needed for students in situations like these, who don't have the same opportunities as others.</p>
<p>and what school are u going to.</p>
<p>Ummm
i dont realyl support affirmative action, cause i think everyone should, and can work just as hard to get into their college of choice.</p>
<p>But congrats on getting into wherever ur going.</p>
<p>ohhh,</p>
<p>and i jsut remembered...
lets all blame parents if someone isnt smart, cause, studies have show that, babies who are played with and touched extremeley often, develop a greater capacity for inteligence (serious...i learned it in AP psych)</p>
<p>I think I agree with iin77</p>
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i dont realyl support affirmative action, cause i think everyone should, and can work just as hard to get into their college of choice.
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<p>Ditto. I wish colleges would level the playing field, but that will never happen.</p>
<p>I'm not the one who owned blacks as slaves. I didn't lynch them. I am not a racist. Why should I have to pay for it?</p>
<p>You may not be responsible Jman, but you are a benificiary.</p>
<p>AA is hurting minorities by conditioning them to think they can skirt by on government policies instead of actually working to surpass their white competitors. What happened to the black power rallies of the 70's where many African-Americans actively and passionately pursued their education? They've been converted into the self-defeating students of today, I see it first hand. </p>
<p>While there is no doubt that minorities and those of lower income have a severe disadvantage in college admissions, Affirmative Action is just a band aid on a gaping wound that can only be fixed by self-realization and motivation.</p>
<p>However, psychological studies, like any other, can be flawed. There was the Rushton book in 1995 that 'proved' blacks were dumber than whites through various incorrect applications of statistics.</p>
<p>My precalc teacher is a black female and she is extremely smart. </p>
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AA is hurting minorities by conditioning them to think they can skirt by on government policies instead of actually working to surpass their white competitors. What happened to the black power rallies of the 70's where many African-Americans actively and passionately pursued their education? They've been converted into the self-defeating students of today, I see it first hand.</p>
<p>While there is no doubt that minorities and those of lower income have a severe disadvantage in college admissions, Affirmative Action is just a band aid on a gaping wound that can only be fixed by self-realization and motivation.
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<p>Good point. AA only gives them more confidence, which in turn causes them to lose motivation because they know it'll be "easier" for them to get into a decent college.</p>
<p>I think by far the best thing to do is take a good hard look on our educational system and where it is going wrong. Mandatory schooling in particular DOES stratify students after race and class, nevermind that we also have the question of what kind of resources your upbringing helps you with - it is not the individual applicant that needs to do X Y and Z to "pull himself up by the bootstraps". In the long run, it does not matter if individual A B and C get the message that they'll just have to accept working three times as hard for the same acknowledgment and then maybe scribble some essay topic about not being white middle-class. It is the institutions we should be criticizing and changing, imho.</p>
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I was granted this privilege because my not-so-distant relatives were lynched and sold and worked like oxes
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You can equally say that i am denied admissions to top colleges because my not-so-distant relatives (circa 1980s) decided to work hard and get to good colleges. Because of this there are too many Asians at colleges and I will not be able to get in due to AA.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I cant understand how you, a black male, out of all people would support AA. AA is like the government slapping the face of black pride. It is racist in that it portrays blacks as being so stupid, there would barely be any in college if it werent for government intervention.</p>
<p>No, it only seems to be you interpreting it this way. Personally I interpret it as governments acknowledging a long and deeply seated history of racism that makes non-whites less interested and able to succeed within the culture of academia. This says NOTHING about intelligence. AA is a way of opening academia up, and so slowly changing both its structure and that of society at large. And, buddy, I promise you those of us who do not come from rich neighborhoods, prep schools and cultures where education is encouraged at all, do NOT get the same support as other students. AA is a way of balancing this out.</p>
<p>Affirmative action is a way of allowing everyone a more equal shot at a college education. Naturally, those who are initially better off are more inclined to be against this, because they do not benefit from equality. However, it is important to consider the value of diverse perspectives in conversation. In the long run, everyone benefits. If you are so competitive that you have to blame somebody else's race for you not being admitted, you probably don't belong at college anyways.</p>
<p>I posted these graphs on the other affirmative action thread
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1...-Education.png%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1...-Education.png</a>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1995-SAT-Income.png%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1995-SAT-Income.png</a>
They show that your arguments are useless</p>
<p>Ok, but my family earns less than $60,000 a year. I'm not well off, and I am white. A black person who is rich, and has an income over, let's say $150,000 will have a better chance of getting into college over me, even if he has lower stats. How is that equality?</p>
<p>This whole argument is just stupid. One person is posting from wikipedia, which anyone can edit <a href="http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?%20id=z6xht2rj60kqmsl8tlq5ltqcshc5y93y%5B/url%5D">http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?%20id=z6xht2rj60kqmsl8tlq5ltqcshc5y93y</a>, one page which doesn't exist and another with data from 12 years ago (cuz, you know, nothing ever changes) and a bunch of others are trying to prove their point by providing only situational examples that support their point of view. Yes, AA is not perfect. But you know what, if you can't provide a solution, it's really petty to waste your time moaning about a "problem".</p>