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<p>I wasn’t citing my dad’s SAT score. I wasn’t citing floridadad’s SAT score either.</p>
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<p>by overhearing the other person telling others that he has cheated, the OP has the responsibility to do something. it’s like overhearing someone saying that he has planned to bomb the school. you can say, well, “it doesn’t really concern me because I’ll be leaving for home a few minutes and violent people never win, and the guy’s probably kidding anyway,” but in doing so, you’re putting everyone else’s welfare in danger. </p>
<p>similarly, with the SAT, whoever cheats downgrades the hard work of every honest student. it’s plain irresponsibility to not do anything because you don’t want to get yourself involved.</p>
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<p>what a selfish excuse. if you report and the person didn’t cheat at all, then the CB investigates and nothing suspicious comes up, so nothing would happen just as if you didn’t report.
if they determine that there is cause for concern so that the person is asked to retake, then you did the right thing by reporting him.</p>
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<p>Well, the OP wasn’t being completely altruistic* when he reported the guy - the OP clearly disliked the guy because the guy supposedly cheated a lot at school …</p>
<p>*GSWLIU</p>
<p>it doesn’t matter. isn’t it fairly reasonable to dislike someone who cheats in school. more importantly, the central issue is that when a poster like you deride someone for reporting cheating when suspecting it, you’re sending the wider message to everyone reading this forum that there’s somehow something wrong with reporting dishonesty, which is completely the opposite of the truth.</p>
<p>i do agree, however, that the OP’s motive isn’t completely pure. that, of course, is potentially another problem altogether, but reporting cheating, by itself, is the right action.</p>
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<p>Rofl who doesn’t know what altruism is.</p>
<p>I think the OP did the right thing. How is it known of his business. The scores are based on how well you did compared to everyone else therefore the kids cheating affects the OP.
I know way too many kids who have cheated on the sat and done well. They then went on to great schools. Sure some of them dropped out but they still took up a spot that someone who was honest could have used.</p>
<p>If you really think it was NEEDED to tell on him, then why are you asking everyone here?</p>
<p>Personally, I wouldn’t have. Btw, have you considered he was copying down the wrong sections due to tests being differently ordered.</p>
<p>^lol that’s a good point.
As someone above said, Cheaters never win.</p>
<p>Arguing won’t make any difference here.</p>
<p>Is this real life? Did you seriously just do that?</p>
<p>OP: you did the right thing. The College Board will match his answers with those of the test-takers sitting around him and if he did indeed copy, his score will likely be cancelled.</p>
<p>If you wanted to, then sure. But what then? If he gets caught cheating all the time, that probably means his grades aren’t that great. The idea that he’s taking away another kids’ spot at a top university if extremely flawed. He doesn’t have the grades to begin with.</p>
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<p>Then he’s taking away another kid’s spot at a medium university. I mean, any way you slice it, cheating is cheating, and the risk of cheating is getting caught. </p>
<p>He knew the risks: If the cheater gets caught, that’s on him, not on the person who caught him.</p>
<p>I don’t like the mentality that people who cheat deserve to be called out. This implies that a person who has a 60% chance of going to a top school who cheats to increase his chances to 80% deserves to have a 0% chance, as if he didn’t earn the 60% chance to begin with. You could say he does deserve the 60%, just not the 80%, but if you snitch on him he’ll get 0%. This is how the College Board or the police or the justice system works; if you’re innocent, you get the benefit of the doubt, but if you’re guilty, you lose more than you should, and in some cases you lose everything.</p>
<p>We shouldn’t support the College Board; we should support our fellow students, whether they cheat or not, because in the end they all want to be successful. They’re not cheating because they want to hurt you or society; they’re cheating because they want an advantage, and naturally everyone wants an advantage. The idea that we should separate cheaters from non-cheaters and people who don’t deserve to go to this school from people who do deserve to go there is absurd and actually leads to the terrible situation that the college/university system is in right now. There are so many cheaters that go to top schools and non-cheaters who go to dirt schools, and so many people who deserve to go to top schools who don’t go and people who don’t deserve to go to top schools and do go, because of how a group of people judge them and their application and resume, that trying to give one cheater their “just deserts” has virtually no effect on society. In other words, the system is so flawed that trying to “correct” one cheater is ridiculous. You should let your classmates cheat because EVERYBODY deserves to go to a top school. If they don’t, they’ll realize it themselves, and they’ll transfer to an easier school or something. My view is that you should not bring other people down unless they are threatening the welfare (or whatever) of you or of a large group of people.</p>
<p>IMO…you did the wrong thing. If he’s a regular cheater then obviously they will see a problem with his scores. Also if he cheats I don’t think that he will get into a good school with great recommendations. You just got to know how to mind your own business if you weren’t there.</p>
<p>@crazybandit: Isn’t that the point of consequences? He weighed the risks, and decided that a 60% chance wasn’t good enough, so he gambled it away.</p>
<p>I agree with tizzy. I can see why OP would report him. I understand people saying its stupid to report over little things like working on the next section, but this is worse. This guy cheats on a regular basis and he doesn’t deserve that SAT score. He took the risk, and now he should suffer the consequences.</p>
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Wrong. There is no 0% in this equation. If he cheated and College Board can tell, then his score will be canceled. The colleges to which he applies will not be notified. He can retake the SAT and roll the dice again if he wants, or he could take it legitimately next time like most other people.</p>
<p>The “justice system” works this way: you are innocent until proven guilty, and if you are guilty you are punished. You get the benefit of the doubt no matter what, but if you cheated you do lose something.</p>
<p>Maybe colleges admit some students who have, say, 60% odds of getting in. But they don’t want people who appear to have 80% odds who got there by cheating… and they would prefer if their matriculants did not have to transfer out because they cheated in high school and found college too difficult.</p>
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Yes, everyone wants to be successful, but alas there are a finite amount of spots at x school, so when they are taking an advantage that they aren’t supposed to have and that many others don’t have, they are unfairly taking one of those finite spots that one of their “fellow students” may have gotten.</p>
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Lol this is pitiful fear-mongering. Separating cheaters from non-cheaters leads to the terrible situation we have? What terrible situation? There are a finite amount of seats; colleges want to seat honest people in them. If he can get in honestly, he’s welcome.</p>
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200 years ago you might have heard, “The system is so widespread that trying to ‘free’ one slave is ridiculous.” I mean, really. Why even try?</p>
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Unfortunately there aren’t spots for everybody, and by cheating you are shoving non-cheaters under the bus. Why do you advocate against non-cheaters? Don’t you think colleges want the people who demonstrate their own abilities rather than those of the people who sit next to them? They want people who can score decently on tests rather than people who can lean over and read their neighbor’s paper in the least conspicuous manner.</p>
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Alright, so if I just steal from a few people, it’s acceptable? Don’t worry. It won’t affect you or a large group.</p>
<p>[Pressure</a> and Lack of Repercussions Cited in SAT Cheating - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/cheat-stuy/]Pressure”>Pressure and Lack of Repercussions Cited in SAT Cheating - The New York Times)</p>
<p>I think you should read this it pertains to what you’ve been talking about. Personally, I feel you did the right thing!</p>
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<p>No Florida dad and u are wrong.</p>
<p>He is not taking anyone’s spot at any university. If he cheats all the time, i doubt he can get into any good university because most cheaters have bad grades to begin with. Second of all, his SAT will suck. Even if he does get into a medium university, then tough luck for the person that got rejected because of him, but that person was still at the bottom of the list anyways. He won’t get very far in life with cheating, because he will be caught 99% if he does it all the time.</p>
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<p>You are wrong about the collegeboard, if you cheat your score gets canceled nothing else, and you actually deserve to be PUNISHED for cheating-as in lowering your chances to get into college because you DID SOMETHING WRONG, AND COLLEGES DON’T WANT CHEATERS AT THEIR SCHOOL. You are right about the justice system though; doing something petty such as hitting a person once, saying a few words, stealing a small item, or some other trivial thing can end you up in jail for anywhere from 1 day to 5 years. </p>
<p>One of my friend’s friend was walking home from his school with a friend in 2008, both seniors, one 17 and he was 18. A girl from their school started talking to them and his story says that she invited them into her house, and then he "touched’ her inappropriately and tried making out, then her mom came in and they both ran to the backyard and jumped the fence but one of the neighbors caught one them on camera revealing his face, and he was arrested at school a week later and has been in jail since 08 and is getting deported in a few months.</p>