I reported SAT cheating

[cortana431]

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He is not taking anyone’s spot at any university. If he cheats all the time, i doubt he can get into any good university because most cheaters have bad grades to begin with. Second of all, his SAT will suck. Even if he does get into a medium university, then tough luck for the person that got rejected because of him, but that person was still at the bottom of the list anyways. He won’t get very far in life with cheating, because he will be caught 99% if he does it all the time.

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<p>If an applicant is rejected because of 1 other applicant with better SAT scores, then obviously that applicant wouldn’t be at the bottom of the list because he/she would’ve gotten in if that applicant didn’t apply, which is what you’re suggesting. Nice try though.</p>

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One of my friend’s friend was walking home from his school with a friend in 2008, both seniors, one 17 and he was 18. A girl from their school started talking to them and his story says that she invited them into her house, and then he "touched’ her inappropriately and tried making out, then her mom came in and they both ran to the backyard and jumped the fence but one of the neighbors caught one them on camera revealing his face, and he was arrested at school a week later and has been in jail since 08 and is getting deported in a few months.

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<p>Cool. But I don’t see a comparison between reporting someone for copying another’s test answers and catching someone for sexually harassing a girl. I think the act of cheating and the act of harassment is different and has different morals. Lol.</p>

[indianguy94]

<p>If you would stop stalking my posts, and start reading within context, I was using the story above to support the post aboutthe flaws in American JUSTICE system, not collegeboard.</p>

<p>Get a life man, 1320 posts… Need I say more?</p>

<p>And trying to being smart for once eh? Bottom of the list as in bottom of the list of acceptances. smh</p>

[StuckInTheAir]

<p>^man, I’m on your side, but please stop arguing…it pains me to see you be so confident with horrible points…</p>

[crazybandit]

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Wrong. There is no 0% in this equation. If he cheated and College Board can tell, then his score will be canceled. The colleges to which he applies will not be notified. He can retake the SAT and roll the dice again if he wants, or he could take it legitimately next time like most other people.</p>

<p>The “justice system” works this way: you are innocent until proven guilty, and if you are guilty you are punished. You get the benefit of the doubt no matter what, but if you cheated you do lose something.

You are right about the reality of the consequences, but I was strictly talking about “the mentality that people who cheat deserve to be called out” (and the 0% analogy followed that). Some people who read about a person who cheats automatically feel like that person doesn’t deserve to get into a good school, and they pass judgment in a way that implies they think the person couldn’t get into a good school without cheating and that’s why they cheated, which isn’t necessarily true. See post #5:

But I guess that ultimately, you will know the answer to your question if you see that he gets into a top school.

So I’m talking about the mentality that people have, not giving violators the benefit of the doubt (not in regard to innocence but in regard to their potential and worth), and I was saying that that mentality is often carried into law and people get punished all the time for things that are not that harmful to society (like people who get long prison sentences for smoking weed).

Maybe colleges admit some students who have, say, 60% odds of getting in. But they don’t want people who appear to have 80% odds who got there by cheating… and they would prefer if their matriculants did not have to transfer out because they cheated in high school and found college too difficult.

Unfortunately there aren’t spots for everybody, and by cheating you are shoving non-cheaters under the bus. Why do you advocate against non-cheaters? Don’t you think colleges want the people who demonstrate their own abilities rather than those of the people who sit next to them? They want people who can score decently on tests rather than people who can lean over and read their neighbor’s paper in the least conspicuous manner.

You’re talking about what the colleges want. The whole basis for judging students by their application is to see whether they can be successful. If the student succeeds, everyone is happy.

Yes, everyone wants to be successful, but alas there are a finite amount of spots at x school, so when they are taking an advantage that they aren’t supposed to have and that many others don’t have, they are unfairly taking one of those finite spots that one of their “fellow students” may have gotten.

Yes, there are a limited number of spots. But the system is flawed in that admission counselors don’t judge correctly who deserves to get in (refer to my remark about how some people who “deserve” to get in don’t get in and some people who don’t “deserve” to get in do get in), and so letting in students who cheat won’t really dilute the student pool. I say the system is flawed because there are so many smart kids who would succeed in their academic studies in a great college but don’t get the acceptance letter for something abitrary like not showing valuable leadership roles or not demonstrating some passion in their college essays to win over the admission counselors who review their application.

Lol this is pitiful fear-mongering. Separating cheaters from non-cheaters leads to the terrible situation we have? What terrible situation? There are a finite amount of seats; colleges want to seat honest people in them. If he can get in honestly, he’s welcome.

It leads to the terrible situation where standards are so high based on arbitrary things like extracurricular activities and letters of recommendation (some people have bad social experiences in high school and some people have poor social skills: does this mean they don’t deserve to suffer the *academic<a href=“you%20don’t%20have%20to%20be%20social%20to%20be%20academically%20successful”>/i</a> burden of paying $20,000 a year and be given the chance to succeed in their academic studies?) that people naturally want to resort to cheating or doing anything to gain an advantage. I get your point: there are a finite number of seats and it is better to have honest and “deserving” students than dishonest ones. But my point is that there is no real difference.

200 years ago you might have heard, “The system is so widespread that trying to ‘free’ one slave is ridiculous.” I mean, really. Why even try?

This is a poor analogy. Freeing victims from an oppressive system (good) is not comparable to putting potentially good students in a box (bad).

Alright, so if I just steal from a few people, it’s acceptable? Don’t worry. It won’t affect you or a large group.

People who have stolen shouldn’t get away with it because they may steal again. On the other hand, cheating is analogous to smoking weed. There is virtually no harm done. A more acceptable comparison is a comparison between a person who can succeed in a college and cheats to get to that point and a person who can be a functional member of society and steals to feed his family in order to get to that point. These people mean well and only want an advantage. As a fellow student, you have absolutely no incentive to snitch on the basis of “He’ll take a honest student’s spot.” Well what if he’s better than you? Why do you assume you are better or more deserving than him?</p>

<p>So many of the people we look up to cheated to get where they are now.</p>

<p>On a political scale, people who snitch against cheaters are Republican. And I use that as a derogatory term. Stop bringing other people down on the basis of your indignance in other people’s business and just help them get where they want to go.</p>

[marvin100]

<p>“Mentality” is a straw man. Argue the facts of the thread instead of trying to read people’s minds.</p>

[bart2385]

<p>The college board has an option for students to report cheating if they see it. The OP chose to exercise that option. He did the morally right thing. And you guys are trying to say “mind your own business”? You’re all acting like a bunch of morons…</p>

[crizello]

<p>OP, did you actually overhear him tell others that he cheated, or did you hear from someone else that they heard him talking about this? That makes a huge difference in how you would approach this.</p>

<p>If you actually, directly heard him talking about cheating, then you may have done the right thing. If it was just hearsay (you heard someone, who heard someone else, etc), then you may have overstepped bounds.</p>

<p>Now, this brings me back to an episode when I went to college. In a science class, I saw cheating on an exam. I was being asked to join in the cheating, but didn’t. I actually didn’t say anything, and ended up with a lower grade on the exam than those who cheated. However, I lived with the knowledge that I gained my C by my own efforts, and that a B or A by cheating would not have been worth it to me.</p>

<p>We say that cheaters will never prosper, but we know that isn’t true. They may be very successful in life, and end up with all life’s ‘goodies’. But they have to live with their conscience. I would rather gain less in life and have a clear mind and heart.</p>

[Hunt]

<p>There’s really no point in asking about this here, because the result is always the same: a pointless discussion between those who say you did the right thing and those who say you didn’t. Follow your own conscience and do what you think is right, and forget about what other people say about it.</p>

[marvin100]

<p>Um, crizello, your question was answered in the OP:</p>

<p>“I heard that one of the students in my skool telling his friends that
he cheated. He said he copied all answers from the other test taker who was sitting
in front of him.”</p>