I was wondering how many hours per week your kids spend (spent) on extracurriuclars.

Let’s see:

D13 was mostly involved in competitive figure skating (8-10 hours 9 months a year generally before school and on Saturdays, 25+ hours per week in summer plus weekend competitions - maybe 4-5 times a year), theatre / singing (another 10-12 hours per week after school/evenings for most of the school year), community service activity (about 30+hours in summer total, plus 3 hours per week and missing school once or twice a month for the school year). So that probably averaged 20-30 hours per week for most of the school year. She had a rigorous load of honors / AP classes and often struggled to get enough sleep since she had to leave the house by 5:30 a.m. most mornings and often had theatre rehearsals into the evening before she could even start on HW. In retrospect, I wish she could have gotten more sleep but I don’t know what she would have dropped. She absolutely loved all her ECs (and did pass on several vocal groups because she felt it was too much) and she also dropped down to honors level for most of her math / science courses as she is more of a humanities person.

S16 seemed like an EC slacker compared to D. He had soccer (varsity in Fall - maybe 12-15 hours per week including practices and games and dropped back to two indoor / club teams in winter / spring totaling maybe 5 hours per week plus some weekend tournaments). He also had music (5 hours per week private lessons and practice plus marching band in the fall – typically either Friday nights or essentially all day on Saturdays, rehearsal was during school). And he did a small bit of volunteer coaching – about 3 hours per week in the spring. One year he also spent quite a bit of time outside of school preparing for National History regional and state competitions. S16 had an extremely rigorous academic schedule - 10 APs spread across all subjects (calc bc, chem, bio, APUSH, Eng, German, Econs, physics C, American Gov) – basically took the hardest schedule he could without skipping lunch or dropping band. So he probably topped out at 20 hours per week for ECs but heaviest in the Fall each year.

Neither kid did any typical HS clubs.

Both of my kids rarely if ever did homework on Friday or Saturday nights but both spent all day every Sunday on it (plus of course HW during the week - often 4-5 hours per evening). Both kids had very good but not perfect GPAs (mostly As with one or two Bs each year). Our HS does not give +/- final grades – both my kids prioritized and were typically just on the right side of 90% for most of their classes. Both were pretty much A- students (but probably could have had higher grades if they had more time / saw the benefit to work just a bit harder). Both had 32 ACTs that they couldn’t manage to raise after 2 attempts (although they did only a limited amount of prep for either attempt).

Neither kid picked activities to build a college resume although I remember “encouraging” (read nagging) son to do more or maybe even get a job. We felt their activities (S especially) were pretty typical for high achieving students in our HS and likely necessary to be accepted into the selective colleges they ended up applying to. D reached higher than S in terms of her applications but didn’t get in to any of her reaches. S ended up not even applying to any high reaches both because he didn’t have a strong interest in any particular college when he started the search and because his GC didn’t think he had a strong enough EC resume for them. Both kids were accepted to similar ranked schools - mostly LACs/mid-sized research universities in the #20-50 range (although D had one acceptance to a top #20 LAC) and both received a range of merit offers (which was awesome since we are full pay until we had two in college at once).

I see both my kids as very smart, hard working kids who have a few nerdy tendencies / interests each, good social skills, and are generally nice to be around. I have no doubt that they are well prepared for and will both do quite well in college but they aren’t necessarily uber intellectuals.

They both would have had to exhaust themselves to get better grades, higher test scores, do / lead more and still with no guarantee of getting accepted to “better” colleges. And, for what? They both landed at great places that are probably just where they are meant to be.

So I say, it’s fine to research what others do so you get a sense of the overall applicant pool but really every individual has different interests, tolerance for stress / busy schedules, need for downtime, etc. And for the vast majority of colleges, most decent / good students who do something / anything outside of the classroom will be able to put together a very solid application and have a lot of great options to choose from. As they say on CC, YMMV but I think it’s extremely important for each student to “run their own race” and for parents to try as hard as we might to let them.

Sorry for the extremely long post - I didn’t intend for it to be. I just see so many people stressing about ECs.

D spent a lot of time (20-25 hrs/week) on her two dance teams (school team and studio competition team) combined. She still managed a few clubs and other activities as well as keeping her grades up in honors/AP. She managed by being very organized with her time.

S participated in various activities with a bit less time commitment total. But he also had a 20 mile (each way) commute to school, a very rigorous academic load and while he did not participate in sports he worked out at the gym several days per week.

It really varies by child. Some kids thrive on being busy and some need more down time.

S20 has 5+ more weeks of XCountry and marching band. It’s been very very frustrating for him to do both. He will not do band next year, partly because of the pulling between band director and XC coach. Last week we counted 27 hours between the two ECs. That left like 2 hours for homework; and this is my most chill kid who does not like to be overscheduled. It’s too much; but too late to drop one; he is running varsity this week and is thrilled about that.

hoping at some point he will see the “life lessons” in it all!

@bgbg4us Your school is not the only one to make sport/band impossible. Our school requires you to do marching band if you want to do band. If you play a fall sport, that means sports practice until 5:30 every day and, two days a week, you have to go right from that practice to marching band practice from 6-9. Crazy! So, basically, if you play a sport, you drop band…even if you like to play music. Or you drop the sport. Many kids love doing both through middle school and then you have to choose. Ridiculous. :frowning:

@homerdog : wow - found someone who understand. thanks! we’re trying to keep mum about it all within our school community so we dont look like complainers. we didnt know the amount of time/conflicts he’d be facing, and the lack of leniency. I agree wholeheartedly with “Ridiculous.” ----

Marching band and XC together wouldn’t be remotely possible at our school. Our marching band competes on Saturdays. These competitions take all day. You couldn’t also attend a XC meet. I do think it’s a shame that so many of these ECs are such a large committment, and the coaches are so inflexible, forcing the kids to choose. There was an activity my kid very much wanted to do but it would have meant missing 2 of the 5 weekly XC practices. She could, and would have run on her own, but it was a no go from the XC coach. She’s not even varsity.

@mathyone We have issues with XC/track and other activities as well. XC ends late Oct and then indoor track starts in mid-Jan and that feeds right into outdoor track. That means kids can’t do anything else that meets after school. The school tries really hard to have morning meetings for things like yearbook or Model UN so some things work but most do not.

We found it a bit silly that it was, in fact the Band directors who made it impossible for my Varsity athlete (who become a D3 recruit) to continue with high school music program – his sports coaches were fine with him doing both, even though it meant missing sports practice when Band performed at a home football game etc. On the other hand, Band criticized him at every turn, even as he sometimes had more than 30 hours a week when both activities were “in season.”

Marching band and XC together wouldn’t be remotely possible at our school- @mathyone I ditto this.

Indoor track is not a thing here. I didn’t even know it was a thing anywhere until very recently.

xc is fall, track is spring.

@Midwestmomofboys It would be the band director at our school as well who would be the problem. It’s like he doesn’t want any athletes! Not sure what an athlete/musician is supposed to do except be in a band outside school. Some kids do this. Depending on the instrument they play, they may be in a local jazz band or (in the case of a string instrument) may play in the local community college’s orchestra.

This is S19’s fall schedule. We can only do family dinners one night a week. Otherwise S eats dinner while doing HW. S has had to cut out most academic ECs and focus just on the one that is his strength (math related, non-competition 2-4 hrs a week). Most of the elite athletes on his sport #1 team also do varsity XC and track at school (as the dryland side of their training), so this schedule is not unusual for the HS students on his team. MS kids don’t do this.

MTWF
7:30-3pm school
3:30-6pm sport #1
7-8:30pm sport #2; HW in the car going to and from training
9-10pm HW
10:30pm-6:30am sleep S is quite disciplined about sleep as his sports require it

Th
rest day 7:30-4:30pm school. S stays late at school and gets his HW done there.
5-7pm math circle (it’s math enrichment thing at the university)

Sa
8-10am training sport #1 or sometimes all day competition
rest of the day HW and chill
Family dinner night

Su
game for sport for #2
5-7pm training sport #2
Finish all HW

Our marching band does not tolerate absences. More than one or two without very good reason (mild illness does not qualify) and you are out. I do have a certain amount of sympathy for that since it’s rather hard to make formations when people are not there. When it comes to an individual team sport or to teams where other players can easily fill in for you, I don’t understand why coaches make the kids’ lives difficult.

Our schools make sports a 15-20 hour per week commitment and then we wring our hands about why so many kids don’t get enough exercise and are becoming overweight.

CIF (California) has a 3 hour/day, 18 hour/ week max. Coaches can get in trouble if they violate and ours seem to stick to it pretty well.

@mathyone in post #65: yes, thanks for your thoughts about band formations. Perhaps that’s why the band director is so much more uptight about this conflict. S20 has given up a few more XC things than band (eg: pasta dinners & medalling ceremony and 2 saturday practices). We want him to run varsity rest of year, but if it doesnt happen it’ll make things smoother between the two groups.

interesting: our school athletic director talked to fall sports parents how each coach’s job is to play the kids who will help give the team a win. The band director wants to win competitions as well.

Marching Band is now an EC at my kids’ school. it makes sense once they made it competitive and what not rather than just a courtesy to support the football team. They practice after school and go to band camp and go to competitions, etc. and they have a bunch of people that twirl flags and stuff so it very much gets treated like an extra curricular activitiy. So the kids don’t “have” to do marching band if they have a fall conflict with a sport or cheerleading or somesuch thing. I think it makes sense to separate “marching band” from the symphonic side which practices during the normal “band hour.” I intensely disliked marching band when I was in HS and it was mandatory. I play a bassoon…and you can’t march with that so I had to pick up a different instrument in high school to march with then get good enough at it not to fake my way through. I remember they gave the oboe player cymbals because she just didn’t want to learn a new instrument quickly. I hear Sousa marches and I cringe while everyone around me just loves it. Don’t get me wrong, I think marching band is a cool thing and some kids really, really like it in an almost cult-like way but given the requirements it seems logical to treat it like an EC.

Our xc coach runs the 7 fastest girls going to a meet in the varsity heat. So if you aren’t at the meet, he just runs someone else. Only league semi, league final and CIF have to be the same girls.

If you miss practices and get slow, you run jv, or frosh.

I think that my kid spends about 20 hours a week on extracurriculars; maybe more. He’s president of his university’s Residence Hall Association and must hold 10 office hours each week for constituent work, plus attend meetings with administration and preside over the organization’s meetings, plus right now is supervising elections in the residence hall councils. I hope it’s only 20 hours! I’m sure it’s more.

The university gives him a stipend for holding this office so he doesn’t need to hold a Work/Study job or outside job this year, but I worry about the time requirements having a negative impact on academics.

My kid when they were in high school outside of class work they only did one real EC which was academic decathalon. They spent between 5 to 7 hours per week on it for about 4 months of the year. At the time they applied for a full scholarship to USC. At the interview they were asked if they did any sports. Their answer was they walked the dog every nite. It got a big laugh and they got an offer of a full scholarship. Even though they didn’t have a bunch of ECs they still got into a bunch of Ivies

The difference in EC time commitment from one school to the next for the exact same activity has been a pet peeve of mine when thinking of college admissions fairness. Therefore, I was so glad when applications started asking for a tally of hours, (which many didn’t used to do when DS applied) because doing a varsity sport at a large group 4 school in our state is a totally different animal than doing it for a small group 1 school–different in terms of the years of preparation needed to acquire the skill to even make the varsity team, and different with regard to how much time and effort is required to participate once on the team. Similarly, getting elected to a club office at a school with almost 800 kids in each class also entails quite a bit more work and popularity than at a school with 60 kids in each class.

There is zero possibility of doing both marching band and a fall sport at our school, so I was shocked to find it was possible at other places. Heck, all you’d need to have is an away sports competition on a Friday, and you could easily return too late to march at the football game, especially if it’s an away game and there was a bus to catch. More than that, marching band is super serious and time-consuming–unless you’re in the lowest academic level classes, it really isn’t doable.

A related pet peeve is that at our school, sports and clubs are mutually exclusive since both meet after school. D competes fall, winter and spring seasons, but it’s hard to do clubs even if you only do a sport one season. There are strict attendance requirements and you would miss a third of the meetings per year for one of the two, rendering you an inactive member. The only way it can work is if you always sit the bench for your team, such that the coach doesn’t care if you miss his practice or game for the club. D’s coach wouldn’t allow it regardless; in fact, he just kicked off several sub-JV kids who didn’t show up at the cross country meet they weren’t even competing in. I often worried if my kids with their three seasons of sports and no other school-based activities looked less impressive than the students from other schools which have an activity period built into the day allowing students to do both EC’s.

Lastly, our district has pay to play, so each school-based activity costs the parents money. For some kids, this will limit their participation too, through no fault of their own.