<p>After reading couple of posts above, I feel UR needs to step up their marketing(letting know other people that there’s a university called UR).
The lack of awareness about UR is a nightmare during job application. When you apply for a job, the employer has no clue about UR. The employer just thinks that it just an another university somewhere in NY. However, they are unaware of the great academics UR offers and that it is one of the top universities. Atleast, UR should step up marketing for its graduate alumni.</p>
<p>@MADad</p>
<p>and also, Tufts is in the flourishing college city of Boston whereas UR is in the relatively dead city of Rochester</p>
<p>AND THAT IS A HUGE HUGE HUGE DIFFERENCE</p>
<p>if we do a poll in the country of who knows Tufts and who knows UR, I’m expecting a bunch of blank stares for both names outside of the eastern region.</p>
<p>However, in the eastern region, I am still expecting a bunch of blank stares for UR.</p>
<p>Also Tufts Vet School can not be compared with Eastman. Sorry but that is the truth, Eastman is like the equivalent of Julliard yet still goes unrecognized by many. (plus one is a vet school and another a music conservatory…)</p>
<p>And finally, the campus of Tufts is much smaller than UR’s, which gives UR a much “bigger” feeling whereas Tufts appears smaller and more compact.</p>
<p>And just to point out, the stats of Tufts’ students are noticeably higher than UR’s.</p>
<p>NoLuck</p>
<p>You missed my point: Eastman and Tufts Vet school are both OFFSITE, not on the main campus–I think I know the difference between a music conservatory and a vet school!!</p>
<p>The student stats are more similar than you admit.</p>
<p>However, you had no comeback to the medical center part of my comparison.</p>
<p>We’ll have to agree to disagree, since your mind is made up that Tufts is vastly superior to UR.</p>
<p>While I agree with disagreeing, please do not twist the words that come out of my mouth. Tufts is not vastly superior to UofR, but it is not very similar as you describe it.</p>
<p>It is noticeably better than UR. </p>
<p>I’m not going to waste anymore time on this discussion about Tufts vs. UR because that is not the point, and I see from your post that you do not understand the point of this thread which is to bring up the idea that marketing can push UR to success.</p>
<p>If you want the stats between UR and Tufts, you will notice that they are on their respective college websites, and Tufts’ stats are noticeably better than UR. However, I still love UR and its campus much more, and the reason why Tufts has higher stats is because of its location and better marketing, which attracts stronger students.</p>
<p>NoLuck, please don’t apply to the University of Rochester. I don’t think you will fit in with the student body with your perceptions. Also honestly… where I live Washington University is not very known…</p>
<p>NoLuck, I can’t decide whether or not you’re trying to be inflammatory, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I personally see Tufts as vividly similar to UR, my sister says that lots of other people she knows agree that the two schools have very similar environments. And while Tufts is near a bigger city, it is quite removed in the small town of Medford. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.</p>
<p>And moving on, generalization is pretty much essential when it comes to boards like these. Unless you plan on rounding up a majority of UR students and asking them whether the lack of prestige bothers them, you’re going to have to count on the opinions of just a few students. I think that while many students would like everyone to recognize their school’s name, they would be unhappy with many of the results, namely that many of them would probably not still have been able to get admitted. But yes, prestige would likely bring some better professors.</p>
<p>My sister’s friend chose UR over Yale because of the research opportunities UR provides, which would make it easier for her (or so she believed, anyway) to get heavily involved in different research that was going on. Also, her advising told her that UR’s pysics department was superior to Yale’s, at least in the eyes of grad schools. Apparently Yale admitted this to her as well.</p>
<p>seattlestudent, you live pretty far away from WUSTL so it’s understandable.
And many of UR’s students share my views on how the University needs more prestige.
Please do not assume you understand my perceptions or my character.</p>
<p>I live on Long Island in New York and 100% of the high school students I know who are slightly to very competitive in my area, including some of New York City’s schools (Stuyvesant, Townsend Harris, and Bronx Science), have never heard of the University of Rochester.</p>
<p>I am not trying to be “inflammatory,” I personally LOVE Rochester’s campus (aside from the isolation of Rochester itself), and the peninsula campus captured my heart.</p>
<p>The only and sole barrier of the school is its lack of name recognition which I am sure UR can improve in.</p>
<p>Also, how the heck is UR’s physics department superior to Yale’s? While UR does have a respectable optics department, Yale is a pioneer in other areas of physics such as particle physics.</p>
<p>Also, Sirensong, you are using plenty of “or so she believed” and “apparently” rather than definitely.</p>
<p>Please do not use your own speculations or guesses as evidence to Yale’s apparent fall to UR in its physics department.</p>
<p>Tufts is also not quite removed, it is literally at the doorsteps of Harvard and extremely close to Boston.</p>
<p>I visited both Tufts and UR. UR’s campus is much more bigger than Tuft’s. Tufts is big on international studies as foreign language is a requirement.</p>
<p>Trust me, I have visited both schools personally and my older brother attends Tufts, whereas I am in regular contact with a tourguide from Rochester (the students there are veryyyyy friendly).</p>
<p>I don’t understand why everyone is having a huge issue comprehending what I am saying or denying the fact that UR is so underrated.</p>
<p>Please stop trying to bring evidence that UR is well respected among grad schools and trumps Yale and is on par with Tufts, because that is not the point.</p>
<p>Also, if you look at the list of medical school acceptances from Rochester (if you search around these forums you will find it), you will notice that Rochester sent 1 student to JHU med school in the last 3 years, and none to big names in med school. Furthermore, the list of students are miraculously short.</p>
<p>UR is not well known even within its own state of New York, Tufts and Yale definitely are.</p>
<p>With better name recognition, UR will be much more successful as an institution, and the budget and quality of academics can only rise.</p>
<p>“Also, how the heck is UR’s physics department superior to Yale’s? While UR does have a respectable optics department, Yale is a pioneer in other areas of physics such as particle physics.”</p>
<pre><code> Obviously she had her reasons for turning down Yale – it was my decision not hers, so why are you attacking me? Anyway, UR’s graduate physics department is rated 2nd in the world, at least as of 2001: UR Physics and Astronomy Ranked 2nd Nationwide in Overall Graduate Student Satisfaction. | Department of Physics and Astronomy
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<p>“Also, Sirensong, you are using plenty of “or so she believed” and “apparently” rather than definitely.”</p>
<pre><code> That is because I am trying to be open to the possibility that I am not 100% accurate, and that my supply of knowledge is not absolute. Also, you will notice that the paragraph you are referring to is explaining another person’s thoughts, which I realize are open to interpretation. You will realize that your sources aren’t perfect either.
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<p>“Please do not use your own speculations or guesses as evidence to Yale’s apparent fall to UR in its physics department.”</p>
<pre><code> Where did I use my own speculation or guesses? I described only the thoughts and advising of my sister’s friend.
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<p>“Tufts is also not quite removed, it is literally at the doorsteps of Harvard and extremely close to Boston.”</p>
<pre><code> As far as Tufts being close to Boston, it is in terms of actual distance, which I believe is around 5 miles. However, making the trip myself and reading about it in various college guides, it can take anywhere between 25 minutes and an hour to get from Tufts to Boston, or the reverse.
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<p>“I visited both Tufts and UR. UR’s campus is much more bigger than Tuft’s. Tufts is big on international studies as foreign language is a requirement.”</p>
<pre><code> Congratulations? I never said they were clones of each other, I only said they were very similar in terms of atmosphere, which you’ll find is a subjective measurement.
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<p>“Trust me, I have visited both schools personally and my older brother attends Tufts, whereas I am in regular contact with a tourguide from Rochester (the students there are veryyyyy friendly).”</p>
<pre><code> Realize that this doesn’t make you a full proof source of knowledge.
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<p>“I don’t understand why everyone is having a huge issue comprehending what I am saying or denying the fact that UR is so underrated.”</p>
<pre><code> Nobody is having trouble comprehending you as far as I know. And when you attempt to shoot down other people’s opinions, you shouldn’t expect them to be complacent.
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<p>“Please stop trying to bring evidence that UR is well respected among grad schools and trumps Yale and is on par with Tufts, because that is not the point.”</p>
<pre><code> You are the one who asked for this! Don’t get angry when people respond to your statements or provide contrary opinions. But if you would like to stop comparing UR to Tufts, I am perfectly happy to oblige.
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<p>“Also, if you look at the list of medical school acceptances from Rochester (if you search around these forums you will find it), you will notice that Rochester sent 1 student to JHU med school in the last 3 years, and none to big names in med school. Furthermore, the list of students are miraculously short.”</p>
<pre><code> Sorry, but what is your point? The reason that there are few acceptances is because there are very few who apply. Check Career Center @ University of Rochester
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<p>“UR is not well known even within its own state of New York, Tufts and Yale definitely are.”</p>
<pre><code> No disagreements, this is definitely true, I have frequently implied/indirectly stated this on this thread.
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<p>“With better name recognition, UR will be much more successful as an institution, and the budget and quality of academics can only rise.”</p>
<pre><code> Okay, let me dissect this. Your statement is true, in that UR will become a more successful business, attracting more upper-tier students and professors, and ultimately more funds. However, it ignores the obvious observation that I made before – while students state that they would like more recognition, many of them would be unable to get into the school with this recognition. Another thread that I posted on showed how WUSTL and UR were ultra-similar 2 decades ago, but WUSTL stepped up their school by marketing. If Rochester were to do the same as WUSTL, it would have vastly different students, all that would remain would be the campus and the administration. And if those are the only two things that you care about in choosing Rochester as a school, you should probably look elsewhere. Prestige comes at a price.
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I live near Boston and work in Boston, and virtually all the students I know, and all the parents whose students are in my daughter’s cohort, know about University of Rochester.</p>
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What you haven’t shown is why this is a “barrier.” Unless you can show us data that indicates that UR students have difficulty getting internships/jobs, or that there are professors who did not accept appointment to UR because of its lack of name recognition, your statement is purely speculative.</p>
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It is not as easy to get into Boston from Tufts as you seem to believe. I know many Tufts students who go to Boston once per year, and some who go not at all. Those who think that Tufts is a “Boston school” like Harvard, BU or BC are sorely disappointed.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, I grew up in NJ and went to school in Maryland. I know many people, including employers, who have never heard of Tufts.</p>
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Then what is the point? If Rochester students get inot graduate schools, and get jobs, then what’s the problem?</p>
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And your evidence for this assumption is exactly what?</p>
<p>I just wanted to say that I giggled at one point. I say I’m applying to Rochester and they think-no, assume- RIT. It does get frustrating after a bit :p</p>
<p>But I will say that I was probably the most impressed with UofR out of nearly 20 colleges that I visited, including Princeton.</p>
<p>The support they offer you is incredibly. They are there for you, and will do what they need to to make you happy.</p>
<p>And I got to talk to the dean of admissions personally, and at the information session there were three students, and we sat at a circle table with the dean and talked casually. That was amazing, compared to sitting in an auditorium with 400 other people and listening to them ramble on without personal connection.</p>
<p>Trust me…although I have another 1st choice…Rochester is SO close, it’s basically a tie…Great, great school.</p>
<p>True prestige isn’t generated through marketing campaigns, it is generated through quality schools with a quality curriculum, involved professors doing cutting edged research; while teaching passionately and intelligent unique students. Rochester has it’s prestige when it counts.</p>
<p>No big deal if your classmates haven’t heard of the school, probably 5 in my class of 250 had. Every quality graduate program in the U.S. holds an undergrad degree from UR with a high amount of esteem. The bottom line is that if you want a school with more prestige, then Rochester really isn’t your best bet. UR truly is a “hidden gem” and better name recognition will only come with time as UR’s grads disperse slowly throughout the world.</p>