<p>I agree, lets terminate it</p>
<p>I would agree with rogracer that anyone answering Stanford, MIT, UChicago has no understanding of history or logistics. I think that Colgate and Holy Cross makes the most sense from a tradition and geographic perspective. The Duke and Georgetown answer has some credibility, but think that they're still too far away. Also, the Ivy League was formed and continues the mission of keeping sports somewhat de-emphasized and would never be concerned about becoming bigger time in the name of securing a large TV contract. Moreover, there's no way that Duke and Georgetown could keep their basketball programs at the same competitive level while playing an Ivy League schedule.</p>
<p>Duke has lost to 1-AA Richmond to start its 2006 football season. Duke remains a mismatch in the 2006 football driven ACC of FSU, VTECH, Miami, BC, Clemson etc.
As long as the Ivy League could provide enough competition for Duke bball to make a run at a national bball title, the potential football "bail-out" Duke could get by moving to the Ivy League becomes increasingly more attractive.</p>
<p>Princeton and Penn have both had top-notch basketball teams in recent decades. I don't see why Duke would be any worse off basketball-wise if it played an Ivy schedule, because during a basketball season there are a lot of non-conference games. And they would get the same recruits they do now...they would just have to play the it's-not-an-ATHLETIC-scholarship game that the Ivies currently play. Re Duke football, if they lost to Richmond, can you imagine how they will look against Miami? That game should be televised on the Discovery Channel, right after a documentary about how crocodiles devour month-old wildebeests.</p>
<p>*If the Ivy League added 2 schools, which would they be? *</p>
<p>In my opinion, it would have to be UC Berkeley and Stanford.</p>
<p>And also, replace Dartmouth or Brown with MIT.</p>
<p>Sansai, I don't think that any of the Ivies can be removed because they are all worthy and they are all similar culturally. I also don't think that schools like Cal (Western culture), Chicago (not enough of an undergraduate presence), MIT (too technical, not artsy enough), Michigan (Midwestern culture), Northwestern (Midwestern Culture) or Stanford (again, Western culture) belong in the Ivy League. I personally think Middlebury or Georgetown would be better suited. Duke could also probably fit in.</p>
<p>I used to think it should be William and Mary and Georgetown. But now that Duke has apparently stopped recruiting football players and is making its lacrosse players play both sports, it looks like a natural for that rough-and-tumble Ivy fooball schedule. Georgetown and Duke.</p>
<p>Duke makes too much money from basketball to even consider it.</p>
<p>I still say Georgetown and Tufts.</p>
<p>While Tufts at least is about the size of the Ivy League schools, it still plays a Division III schedule, with little historical tradition in playing the Ivys.</p>
<p>I'd love to see Harvard's reaction if there was a move afoot to get Tufts in the league. It would probably be the institutional equivalent of Thurston Howell III getting all blustery and indignant when Gilliagan insults him.</p>
<p>Northwestern came close to joining the Ivy League in the early/mid 80's under then university president Strotz.</p>
<p>Strotz thought that big-time athletics just took away from the core purpose of an academic institution and didn't put any money into upgrading facilities, hiring good coaches, etc. (under Strotz, NU football entered its "dark age").</p>
<p>In line with his thinking, Strotz didn't think NU should continue to remain in the Big Ten conference and approached the Ivy League to take NU as the 9th school. </p>
<p>The Ivy League agreed to a trial period of a few years where they would play one or two games (football) a year against the Wildcats until NU became a full fledged member (membership was to be determined by the trial period and a final vote).</p>
<p>During this trial period, NU was to be responsible for the expenses of the away games for the Ivy League.</p>
<p>Before Strotz's plan came to fruition, he was diagnosed with cancer and Weber was elected president of NU. </p>
<p>Weber had a totally different vision than Strotz (as an economist, he understood the value of a strong athletic program for a university) and thought that NU should remain in the Big Ten. He cancelled all the games against the Ivy League, except for one against Princeton (NU was unable to reschedule another team for that game - NU defeated Princeton 37-0).</p>
<p>Weber upgraded the sports facilities, brought in Gary Barnett as head coach, and the rest is history.</p>
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<p>The 4 schools that closest fit the profile are Stanford, Northwestern, UChicago and Duke.</p>
<p>Geographically, Stanford is just too far away (too time consuming and expensive for teams to travel across the country).</p>
<p>Duke makes too much money out of its bb program and NU makes a tidy sum out of its fb program.</p>
<p>UoChicago just does its own thing.</p>
<p>USMA (Army-West Point) and USNA (Navy-Annapolis).</p>
<p>Both have deep historic ties competing with the Ivies and continue to do so to this very day.</p>
<p>see #303-Each service academy has major enrollment problems in terms of being able to field 11 to 15 women's teams for the League. Only Georgetown and Duke have the similar enrollment, comparable academics and comparable name recognition to make an expansion work</p>
<p>Yeah, leave out the academies. I think I'd have to leave the country if Brown beat Annapolis in football.</p>
<p>Stanford for sure</p>
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<p>...well, Brown's squad is hardly a bunch of wusses and isn't exactly the doormat club of the Ivies: they captured the Ivy League Football Championship title outright last year (9-1) with their only loss coming in overtime to Harvard. </p>
<p>The Bears star running back Nick Hartigan was an outright stud (also a Rhodes scholar candidate) and signed this summer with the NY Jets before getting cut in the final round. Here are a sampling of his records:</p>
<p>Ivy League Football Records:
- Career touchdowns (54)
- Career rushing touchdowns (52)
- Points in a career (324)
- Second best single season rushing (1,727 yards)
- Third best career rushing yards (4,492 yards)
- Third best single season scoring record (126 points)</p>
<p>Brown Football Records:
- Single season scoring record (126 points)
- Single season rushing (1,727 yards)
- Career rushing yards (4,492 yards)</p>
<p>...now would they beat Navy? Who knows? </p>
<p>But I doubt it would be a massacre akin to the Chicago Bears vs. a group of special olympics kids who've never seen a football before - with Chicago playing as if their lives depended upon on it.</p>
<p>Northwestern and Stanford</p>
<p>I'm surprised no one picked this combination: Carnegie Mellon and Duke.</p>
<p>The last time Carnegie Mellon did anything serious on the football field was a 1925 or 26 upset of Notre Dame. Carnegie Mellon could not compete athletically in the conference.</p>