<p>What current colleges that are not in Ivy League, should be?</p>
<p>None, because the Ivy League is an atheletic conference. That's like asking who should be in the Big 10? or maybe the ACC?</p>
<p>It's an athletic conference. If they think it's too small, they'll expand it!</p>
<p>Ah, but it is not impossible or inappropriate to ask that question. Penn State did ... and now they are part of the Big Ten. I always wonder why they still call it the Big Ten when there are 11 members 8^).</p>
<p>The only schools that would fit the mold of the Ivies are Georgetown and Johns Hopkins.</p>
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<p>IT will never happen, because it has become an academic brand name. Places like Princeton or Harvard wouldn't care if they added more members, because they're already widely-acknowledged as "the best", but places like Cornell or Penn would throw a fit if people were trying to dillute their brand name. Heck, just look at the website or info packet from either of these schools. They drop the term "ivy league" like it's their job.</p>
<p>I agree with Alexandre.</p>
<p>But still, it probably won't happen. I think that some other schools should make thier own elite group (like Georgetown, Duke, Emory, JHU, MIT, and UVa- and yes, I know they are all in their own sports groups, but I still think it would be cool). :p</p>
<p>Calidan, schools South of DC do not fit the mold...nor do schools West of Alleghenys. So excellent universities like Cal, Chicago, Duke, Michigan, Northwestern and Stanford do not fit in. Nor to very highly specialized schools like CalTech and MIT.</p>
<p>If the Ivy league where to merge with another athletic conference, the most logical combination would be the Patriot league. Georgetown is a Patriot league member, but JHU is not...I don't believe JHU even <em>has</em> a football team, but if they do, it isn't in the requisite division 1-AA.</p>
<p>Of course, many want to consider this whole question purely as an academic argument. But the reality is that this is about an athletic league of schools with similar academic missions. By that argument, the Patriot league schools are the closest match. In fact, if you look over the football schedules, you will see that aside from in-conference games, Ivy-Patriot are the most played out-of-conference games for either league.</p>
<p>Georogetown, and Villanova, are associate members of the Patriot League probably for football only. In all other sports it is in the Big East--Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, WVA.</p>
<p>My guess would be that Army would join before many of the other schools being listed. When Stanley Woodward first coined the term "Ivy Colleges" he included Army along with the 8 current Ivys.</p>
<p>I thought I read somewhere that Colgate was supposed to be a founding Ivy member, but lost out to Brown bcos they non-New Yorkers did not want 3 NY teams.....</p>
<p>I think Hopkins is in the same conference as Chicago and WashU, I'm not sure though. Anyway, if you're asking what schools should be the "Ivy League" (which people don't seem to understand is nothing but an athletic conference) based on academic prestige, then you already know the answer and can find everyone else's opinion in all the other threads on this board. </p>
<p>But if you mean athletically, then I think that Georgetown should also be a part of the division. They would give Penn's basketball team some competition.</p>
<p>colgate dropped out of the ivy league</p>
<p>same with the navy and army, pretty sure all three were originally part of the ivy league</p>
<p>Georgetown is Big East for basketball. </p>
<p>Of course Georgetown should be part of the Ivy League if they were to open it up. Academically, it's on par with many of the Ivies. Acceptance rate was 20% out of 15,000+ for the Class of 2009, and it's always ranked by Princeton Review as the 11th most selective school in the country after Penn. There's a strong sense of "prestige", etc. on campus. Interpret that however you want.</p>
<p>Other schools would be JHU, Duke, Stanford, MIT, UChicago, etc. Athletically, that's a whole different issue,lol.</p>
<p>Private, urban, research universities have their own Div. III version of the Ivy League, called the "University Athletic Association" - Chicago, Wash U, NYU, Carnegie Mellon, Emory, Rochester, Case Western & Brandeis. Johns Hopkins was originally a member, and then dropped out to join something more local.</p>
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I think Hopkins is in the same conference as Chicago and WashU, I'm not sure though. Anyway, if you're asking what schools should be the "Ivy League" (which people don't seem to understand is nothing but an athletic conference) based on academic prestige, then you already know the answer and can find everyone else's opinion in all the other threads on this board. </p>
<p>But if you mean athletically, then I think that Georgetown should also be a part of the division. They would give Penn's basketball team some competition.
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<p>Princeton usually gives Penn's basketball team some good competition.</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins is in a league with Muhlenberg, Haverford, McDaniel, Swarthmore, Ursinus, Gettysburg, Dickinson, and a few more I know I'm forgetting. It's the Centennial Conference. I was being recruited to run for them. . .but no one wants to play sports in the Centennial Conference. Johns Hopkins could never be an Ivy League school.</p>
<p>Colgate is the only school worth considering.</p>
<p>And Georgetown... since I think Colgate may be a little too far on the LAC side (and really no Ivy is an LAC, except for Dartmouth in some ways).</p>
<p>The 2 schools that have played the Ivies the most in football are Holy Cross and Colgate. Villanova is not a member of the non-scholarship Patriot League,as Villanova gives football scholarships in the A-10 now Colonial Athletic, Holy Cross has played Harvard,Dartmouth, and Brown for well over 100 years. If one expands to other sports,basketball,baseball,soccer,lacrosse HC is also on the schedules of most Ivies.</p>
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I don't believe JHU even <em>has</em> a football team,
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JHU does not have a football team; however, they have created this website to make people think they have one.
<a href="http://hopkinssports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/jhop-m-footbl-body.html%5B/url%5D">http://hopkinssports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/jhop-m-footbl-body.html</a>
My oh my, how clever are those Blue Jays!</p>