<p>watch it. It scared me. I know (more like hope) the people depicted in this movie only make up a small cult. But still, f-cking scary.</p>
<p>What it is is a pretty good portrait of the theological dangers of Protestantism. As a Catholic convert, I carry a lot of sorrow for these people. They're so close to the truth, yet so bloody far away. Aside from putting their souls and the souls of others in danger, they're doing a damned impressive job at giving the rest of us Christians a bad name.</p>
<p>More and more, I am coming to believe that the Protestant Reformation was the work of Satan. It was and is the legitimization of heresy. And its fruits are clear: division, confusion, and insanity. The only people that I can understand wanting to follow in this tradition are those who are uneducated in Christianity and those in search of an avenue to fulfill personal ambitions of power and monetary gain. For the latter, the Protestant world is a literal wonderland of opportunity.</p>
<p>Pentecostals are just plain crazy - speaking in tongues? BS!</p>
<p>It's not available anymore. Probably because it's a copyrighted movie</p>
<p>I'm coming from Pentecostal background. Although I'm not identifying with any particular denomination, I'll have to say that speaking in tongues was non-miniscule part of New Testament. Maybe some people forget the true meaning of speaking in tongues -- to witness power of Holy Ghost for non-christians; however, I don't see whole concept as crazy.</p>
<p>I haven't watched Jesus Camp (it isn't available by that URL) but I think I understand what you're all talking about. Protestantism, as well as Catholicism, and don't forget Orthodox, all have been in that or this manner used by douche-bags who get into christianity for money/fame/power.
However, I think it doesn't matter conceptually if christian will go to Catholic or Baptist church. God will lead.</p>
<p>And it saddens me to hear about "being saved" from Catholicism/Protestantism to Protestantism/Catholicism as if the latter was like atheism. I think that any division in Church is a work of Satan, but I also wouldn't want to see people from any side calling their denomination only true for being saved. Again, God will lead true christian into proper church/community, be it anything that's proper for one.</p>
<p>As to mass conversions, in my opinon, I wouldn't do that. I think quality of christian matters more than quantity of them. Sometimes, people only make things worse by believing that they're saved and claiming their christianity, yet, doing completely opposite, thus putting shame on church. Honestly, some people go crazy after conversion -- this is something that should be taken seriously.</p>
<p>I'll leave more comments after I'll watch the video somewhere :)</p>
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No. Overall they still have a fundamental belief in Jesus.</p>
<p>I'm not saying that Protestantism is a Satanic religion. Of course, Protestants are still Christians. I'm asserting that the Reformation -- immense division among Christians, Christians splitting away from Mother Church and further splintering into hundreds of different directions, Christians murdering one another over it, etcetera -- has the mark of Satan on it.</p>
<p>sorry, guys. It was up until I posted this link. Someone at CC told Google Video?
It had been up from 12/18 till today.</p>
<p>I don't see how the Protestant Ref was the work of Satan, especially since the Catholic church was selling indulgences and had corrupt popes. If anything, it sounds to me like the Catholic church was the one with the Satanic practices. </p>
<p>I know plenty of Catholics. My father is Catholic and I attend a Catholic school. Many of the Catholics I know have this attitude that their way is the only way to salvation. Quite frankly, I can't stand these people since they isolate themselves from other opinions. They just don't consider any other religions to be of worth. When I tell some kids in my Catholic school that I am Protestant, some don't even know what Protestantism is. I have been asked ridiculous questions such as "Do you celebrate Christmas," and "Do you believe in Jesus." I am not saying that this is true of all Catholics, but I find that it is more true of them than their Protestant counterparts. At many Protestant churches, people of other faiths can participate in the church service or even get married. My school teaches in Religion that Catholics accept all faiths. Yet in Catholic masses at my school, non-Catholics are barred from receiving the Eucharist. This type of attiute advocates a separaton of religions, so don't say that it is the Protestants' fault since they deviated from the "mother church."</p>
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What it is is a pretty good portrait of the theological dangers of Protestantism. As a Catholic convert, I carry a lot of sorrow for these people. They're so close to the truth, yet so bloody far away. Aside from putting their souls and the souls of others in danger, they're doing a damned impressive job at giving the rest of us Christians a bad name.</p>
<p>More and more, I am coming to believe that the Protestant Reformation was the work of Satan. It was and is the legitimization of heresy. And its fruits are clear: division, confusion, and insanity. The only people that I can understand wanting to follow in this tradition are those who are uneducated in Christianity and those in search of an avenue to fulfill personal ambitions of power and monetary gain. For the latter, the Protestant world is a literal wonderland of opportunity.
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<p>Ha, what rich words coming from a Catholic, with your "glorious" history.</p>
<p>"Work of Satan"? You sound like more those people than you realize.</p>
<p>Yeah, the Catholic Church only built Western civilization. Nothing glorious about that.</p>
<p>In any case, I'm not an apologist for the behavior of the men who run the day-to-day operations of the Catholic Church and I never will be. What I will always defend, however, is the Catholic faith. That is what is important, because that is what is divine.</p>
<p>Well, I think that it doesn't make much of a difference whether you're catholic or protestant. In the heaven, there will be no catholicism or protestantism -- it will be the church of Jesus Christ. </p>
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I don't see how the Protestant Ref was the work of Satan, especially since the Catholic church was selling indulgences and had corrupt popes. If anything, it sounds to me like the Catholic church was the one with the Satanic practices.
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Each religion had their satanic practices. We shouldn't look into people's creations -- protestantism, catholicism, orthodoxism -- but into God.
Division is a work of satan but saying that 'we didn't have as many satanic practices' is that same division. Who really knows what was going on in those times? Every organization of men had faults and its own inquisitin.
Look out for true reason of religion, it is not to organize and develop civilizations or join one group of people and try to be holier than others. Religion exists to seek the truth -- to look for God and follow him.</p>
<p>Orthodox priest Seraphim Sarovskij said, - Save yourself and thousands will be saved. Religion is very personal deal. Follow will of God and right church will be determined personally for you :)</p>
<p>PS. It's very cool to see that we can discuss peacefully (no sarcasm) christianity here and have representatives of different denominations :)</p>
<p>Alright, I saw clips from Jesus Camp from youtube. The only thing I have to say is that this has nothing to do with regular protestants: baptists and pentecostals. Most of the people I know in baptist and pentecostal churches are totally against these kind of neo-charismatic churches.
People, christians are not all like these :)</p>
<p>PS. Do they plan to make revenue from this? Nice..</p>
<p>Yes. Some people see this movie and think, "Oh, all of those evangelicals and baptists and pentecostals are insane." My church is absolutely nothing like that. I carry my beliefs, but I don't stuff them down others' throats. However, seeing this movie is surreal, knowing that children are being taught this. Welcome to religion, American-style. {But only the crazies}</p>
<p>I just saw some more clips of this movie. Telling children that shouting his name and "making war" with those of other faiths..... very ****ing scary. And I don't even swear. The funny thing is some people will see this movie and be like "What? Why is this so controversial? I do this every Sunday." Scarrrry.</p>
<p>Chills.... chills.</p>
<p>EDIT: Ted Haggard is there, denouncing homosexuality. [Oh, the irony.]</p>
<p>"My school teaches in Religion that Catholics accept all faiths. Yet in Catholic masses at my school, non-Catholics are barred from receiving the Eucharist. This type of attiute advocates a separaton of religions, so don't say that it is the Protestants' fault since they deviated from the 'mother church.' "</p>
<p>Couldn't let this slide. The reason why the Catholic Church bars non-Catholics from receiving the Eucharist is totally based in Scripture. In his Letter to the Corinthians, Saint Paul teaches that anyone who fails to understand the true meaning of the Eucharist and receives anyway is "eating and drinking his own damnation." Protestant Christians, being Protestants, do not accept the true historical meaning of the Eucharist -- that it is truly the Body and Blood of Christ -- and therefore barring them from receiving it, in the Church's view, is doing them a great favor. Receiving the genuine Eucharist without recognizing what it truly is is a major sin. Allowing them to partake in this sin would be a great sin in itself.</p>
<p>Even Catholics who are in a state of sin are forbidden to receive the Eucharist. This is why frequent confession is so important in Catholicism. You can be as Catholic as the pope, but if you have committed a mortal sin and have not confessed, receiving the Eucharist of the Church is just as sinful as if you were a Protestant who doesn't believe in the fundamental divinity of the Sacrament. I haven't been to confession in awhile, and thus for the past few weeks I have stayed seated at Mass when the Eucharist is being distributed. I have, in effect, excommunicated myself until I can get off my lazy a$$ and go to confession. I do this because I believe in what the Bible says.</p>
<p>As for marriage, the same logic applies. If you are a Protestant then it is evident that you don't agree with the Church's theology regarding the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony. Only those who do are permitted to be married in the Church, and rightly so.</p>
<p>Fides et Ratio is right.</p>
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<p>In other words: Do as we say, not as we do.</p>
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Yeah, the Catholic Church only built Western civilization. Nothing glorious about that.
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<p>I don't think the Catholics were around during the time of Ancient Greece. And wasn't the Catholic Church the antithesis of such important developments as the Enlightenment? Sure, the Church may have preserved some documents, even added a few thoughts of their own, but then again, so did the Muslims, and I doubt you'd want to give them a smidge of credit for the great glory of Western civilization.</p>
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Yes. Some people see this movie and think, "Oh, all of those evangelicals and baptists and pentecostals are insane." My church is absolutely nothing like that.
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<p>Well, now you can get an inkling of how the Muslims feel.</p>