<p>what is it like? whats the avg gpa? is the reading manageable? and most importantly, whats the avg class size? (in terms of avg class size, i dont want the school's numbers posted on the US news survey; i would like to hear people's own experience with class sizes at ILR)</p>
<p>I second this thread.</p>
<p>Oh, and how competitive?</p>
<p>"whats the avg gpa?"
These numbers aren't released by the school. </p>
<p>"is the reading manageable?"
how fast do you read? I was given between 300-700 pages of reading a week for my one ilr history class (we usually covered one book per week, most were the size of an average novel), the other classes were a bit lighter. The material can range from fascinating memoirs to bone dry academic analysis. For me, some weeks it was manageable, others it was a big crunch to fit everything in. </p>
<p>"whats the avg class size?"
Depends on how popular the class is (or if it's a required class). My biggest ones have been 300 students, while the smallest have had 8. Still, I'd say the average class is larger than it should be, it's the one thing ilr needs to work on (they've started to by hiring several more profs). </p>
<p>"Oh, and how competitive?"
What do you mean? Are students harsh to each other? No. Is the workload sometimes very challenging? Yes.</p>
<p>are there any seminar style classes in which kids can participate or is it all lecture? and could I get some of the names of the books you have read?</p>
<p>how screwed will i be if i am accepted, i have not done any of the required reading in high school i kinda just bs myway through the work......
i havent read a book since elementary school (no joke)</p>
<p>like gomestar said, there's no data on average GPA. My friends have GPA's ranging from 2.9 to 3.9, so I really couldn't tell you.</p>
<p>As for the reading, I think it's very blown out of proportion. You don't need to read half of the stuff that's assigned. I've managed almost all of my classes with very minimal reading (with a few exceptions).</p>
<p>Big classes like HR, and OB fill up the entire auditorium (200-300 people), but smaller required classes range from about 20-50 depending on the size of the room and what class it is.</p>
<p>Not competitive at all. Compared to the amount of work that my friends in the other colleges so, ILR is so easy. Be thankful. :)</p>
<p>what would be the types of classes that are usually small? can you avoid those history classes that have a lot of reading?</p>
<p>how big would these classes be: intro to organizational behavior? history of american labor? human resource management? economics of wages and employment? labor and employment law?</p>
<p>and tack on my question about seminars and class participation...any classes in which the students have discussions, etc.?</p>
<p>large classes = human resources, intro to organizational behavior, collective bargaining, about 200 kids in an auditorium
labor history and labor law are about 50 kids i think, and labor econ is about 20-25 kids.
You can't avoid labor history, but the reading for that class isn't too bad.</p>
<p>HR and OB are both powerpoint based classes, so basically it's just running through a powerpoint presentation with occasional questions if you don't understand something.</p>
<p>You'll get to do a lot of discussing in labor history and labor law.</p>
<p>are any of those classes hard?</p>
<p>are any of those classes hard?
OB and HR are jokes. Labor History's difficulty depends on the professor (Appelgate is known for being really easy), but you can still pull a good grade, regardless of who you have. Collective bargaining is another joke. Labor Law...not a joke, but it's pretty easy. If you have Gold, you will get terrible grades all semester, but apparently he curves his class a lot. I had Leiberwitz...there's no reason you shouldn't get an A/A- if you do the work. </p>
<p>are there any seminar style classes in which kids can participate or is it all lecture? and could I get some of the names of the books you have read?
Upper level classes are much smaller than intro courses and are largely discussion-based. In my experience, the ILR600 classes are most seminar-like, as they usually have ~15 or less kids per class, and your grade is based largely on participation.</p>
<p>I couldn't get away with skipping most of the readings for some of my classes ... devault had weekly quizzes on the readings. Other classes, though (such as OB and HR), I read the first chapter and then just stuck with the class notes</p>
<p>so pretty much the intro classes like OB and hrm are easy even though they are large lecture classes? does everyone agree?</p>
<p>Does anyone know how many applied to ILR this year and what the sats are for those admitted?</p>
<p>I agree with everything that's been said. Labor History is the most work due to the reading load, OB/HR are quite easy, and Labor Law is quite challenging. The students refer to the history profs as "D-Plus Daniels," "C-Minus Salvatore," or "A-Plus Applegate." I had Salvatore and thought he was a wonderful and engaging speaker, and also very caring-- he just held his students to very high standards considering we just came out of high school. I was amazed that he had everyone in our lecture hall's name memorized within a few lectures, and still remembered my name and essays when I graduated.
But I digress-- most of the 600 level classes are taught seminar-style and sometimes the Prof will chastise the students if they seem unprepared. Also, according to <a href="http://www.theuniversityfaculty.cornell.edu/meetings/agendas_minutes/96/031396/Figure1.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.theuniversityfaculty.cornell.edu/meetings/agendas_minutes/96/031396/Figure1.pdf</a>
the mean undergrad GPA for ILRies 3.28, which is the tied with HumEc for highest among the undergrad colleges, but still not very different (the lowest is Hotel at 3.07). There are also lots of individual majors with much higher GPAs than ILR, with Landscape Architecture and Chinese leading the pack at 3.54. It doesn't say whether this is for all current undergrads or at graduation; typically GPAs rise with seniority. You also might need Cornell certificates to see the webpage.</p>
<p>thanks for the insight. Anyone else wanna add more about the classes?</p>
<p>It doesn't seem like anybody gets straight up rejected from Cornell. Either guranteed transfer or waitlist...</p>