<p>What type of opportunities would ILR give you if you want to do business. I don't really want to do human resources types of things- more like finance. Also, math is one of my strongest/favorite subjects and I know that ILR is not really math focused at all. Basically, would ILR give me really good opportunities to go into finance? </p>
<p>Also, if I do do ILR and find that it is not for me, how easy would it be to transfer into CAS or the AEM program in CALS?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Why would you apply to ILR if you are not interested in the people side of business/government policy?</p>
<p>As CayugaRed said, then why apply to ILR in the first place?</p>
<p>ILR may as well stand for I Love Reading from what I hear, so why are you applying if you love math? I don't think the fact that you are already worried about whether it will be a good fit or not is a good sign. Apply to AEM or CAS in the first place instead of trying to get into ILR and then transfer. I am assuming you were looking at acceptance percentages and are thinking it will be easier to get into ILR. Good luck selling yourself as a fit because you don't sound like one.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, ILR has just become a law school and business career feeder with absolutely no care for anything related to labor.</p>
<p>My advice to you would be to start the transfer process immediately because you're not gonna enjoy it.</p>
<p>ILR really has to do a better job of weeding out these kids who are using ILR for something else. :</p>
<p>lots of hate here i suppose. I would appreciate it if someone would actually help and answer my question first. Let me worry about if its a fit for me. Would it give good opportunities to go into finance?</p>
<p>You are getting this reaction because you said you love math (not a focus of ILR), did not mention anything about an interest for anything ILR is about, and even mentioned you might just try to transfer out of it. Honestly, what did you expect? It sounds like you really want AEM or Econ, so why not apply to one of those instead? I would really be surprised if you are interested in ILR over those two for any reason other than acceptance percentage based on what you have said...</p>
<p>If by finance you mean investment banking (what most on this site seem to want in finance) then you can get into it with about any major. I personally know a vp at goldman and he says they are starting to hire more and more engineers than the past. The majority will come from finance or econ majors, but you can get into it with any degree...the university you graduate from is always going to be more important than the major. An art major from Harvard is going to have better luck breaking into IB than a finance major from some mediocre state school in the midwest. Do what you want to do, which it sounds like ILR is not.</p>
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<p>I don't think that is entirely true. The majority of ILR grads still go into something related to labor/government/human resources/employment law.</p>
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<p>Not hate. Sense. Something a lot of Cornell students have. </p>
<p>ILR is actually very adaptable to students with an interest in math. All math courses can count towards your ILR credits needed to graduate. And there is a whole department of applied statistics for your exploration. </p>
<p>But first and foremost, you need to have an interest in things like social and economic history, negotiation and power structures, government regulation and labor outcomes. If you don't get excited thinking about things like the minimum wage, sexual harassment in the workplace, or debates over free trade, ILR is not the place for you.</p>
<p>I never said I didn't have an interest in that though. When I said math was my favorite/best subject I was just concerned if ILR had hardly any math. My other two favorite subjects were economics and history-two majors which I may end up doing. I DO think I would fit in ILR and be happy- I was just wondering if I would be able to go into finance from it. Part of the reason ILR attracts me is that they dont require subject tests. As a sophomore I took two and did not do well on them and do not wish to send them. This is not the sole reason I am looking at ILR- it just helps- cause my test scores are good, 32 on ACT, so its not just a "back door" school into Cornell for me.</p>
<p>Can you go into finance from ILR? Sure. You can go into finance as an English major.</p>
<p>Should you be applying to ILR if you know you want to go into finance? No way.</p>
<p>For what it's worth, there's not going to be a lot of finance jobs from here on out. The financial boom that lasted from the 80s until today will be over shortly. This, coincidentally, is something more ILR students would learn if they took more of the fantastic economic history courses that the school offers.</p>
<p>If you truly are interested in ILR for what it offers, read as much as you can about it, maybe even try and visit Cornell and do the ILR info session. </p>
<p>Yes, you can get into finance from it. Don't do ILR because of that though, like I said pretty much any major can get into it. But, I agree with Cayuga on that last line of post #8 100%. Those are the foundations of ILR and I don't know how you could fit in well if you don't have a true interest on what the school is based on. If you do have a real interest in those things, go ahead and apply. Take the visit if you can to get a better idea of how you will fit in.</p>
<p>Personally I am trying to transfer to ILR because I don't know what I want to do for sure. The school places well in everything I am interested in, and I love learning about things such as economic history (in fact, I am currently reading a book on it on my own time).</p>
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That's not the sense that I get from the kids in my year. Most of them are thinking law school, business/finance, consulting, and HR as a last resort. If you ask kids, most of them are like, "lol, HR? are you kidding me?"</p>
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<p>Funny. You have anecdote. I have fact.</p>
<p>HR: 27%
Labor: 6%
Non-Profit/Government: 12%
HR Consulting: 9%
Legal: 7%</p>
<p>That's 61 percent of the graduating class that enters the workforce right there that have a direct relation to their studies, and is excluding all of the students who go on to law school (most of whom do labor, employment, public interest, etc.) or graduate study, getting their PhDs in labor economics, labor history, etc. or things like an MPP or MS in negotiation.</p>
<p>you can take plenty of courses in the AEM and HOTEL school to round out your degree and get an unofficial minor in business...</p>
<p>but yeah the best thing you can do is take a basic fall freshman semester and get a great GPA and then begin the transfer process ASAP...</p>
<p>The only thing I can say is that those are stats for the class of 2007.</p>
<p>Well, tnr06 hasn't applied yet. So let's not encourage him to be disingenuous. It's fine if your interests genuinely change once you get to ILR, but otherwise just apply to AEM from the get-go.</p>
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<p>So it's theoretically possible that your class is remarkably different from the previous seven classes that I have had experience with.</p>
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<p>What book are you reading? I heartily recommend the Wealth and Poverty of Nations by Landes. Anything by Galbraith (especially The Affluent Society) is a great read too. I find it remarkable that Galbraith was not read more in ILR.</p>
<p>a lot of my friends were doing the whole "oh yeah investment banking" or "management consulting all the way" ... and then they realized that HR type jobs are incredible careers with excellent pay, better hours, and much better work.</p>
<p>To be fair, Cayuga, your percentages were for those immediately entering the workforce. So if a lower percent of those pursuing graduate study are doing so in areas related to ILR (vis those entering the workforce), then the total percent graduates pursuing ILR-related activities would be brought down. </p>
<p>Also, to return to the OP, ILR lets you apply a certain number of credits from the math department to your out of college ILR electives. So you if wanted to be more on the math side but still be in ILR, then ILR will make that easier too. If you have a good intuition for math, you'll also likely do particularly well in the labor econ electives.</p>