In a real jam hear helpp!! UNC convenant vs Emory $15000

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<p>I got accepted to both and it really getting to that point that I have to choose. I sent in the deposit for both but have to make up my mind this weekend. </p>

<p>Basically did 2 years at another college and now transferring with full intentions in majoring in business(kenan Flalgler or goizueta) specifically finance.</p>

<p>Now I got the convenant at unc which basically means all expenses paid and this is a big deal seeing how i am out of state and unc cost alot.</p>

<p>But at emory i got 35,000 in grants and the rest is up to me. </p>

<p>so the questions lies is it worth going to emory for that $15000 a year extra over unc for free.</p>

<p>also at emory i got stuck in a lousy dorm room, while at unc i got a apt at ram village.</p>

<p>As far as credits transferred, unc took 39 and emory took in 56 but alot of them xxx non duplicate transfer course so im pretty sure they dont count. I understand that it will take me 3 years to graduate from either college and I am fine with that and in no rush.</p>

<p>Just dont know if it is worth paying more to go to emory and sacrfice good looking girls and social scene for a tiny edge.</p>

<p>Career intentions are to go in ibanking after undergrad.</p>

<p>Which one would you guys choose.</p>

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Wrong attitude.</p>

<p>While every bit of prestige matters in ibanking recruitment, UNC and Emory are semi-target schools at best. Your personal abilities will matter more than the brand of Emory or UNC.</p>

<p>I believe that you should go to Emory, but UNC will probably make you happier based on your statement above (and free schooling)</p>

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<p>I’d choose Chapel Hill over Emory with the finances equal. I can’t think of any advantages Emory would hold over UNC, and the well-rounded, classic college town aspect of the UNC experience would be a big plus.</p>

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<p>^ you can’t think of “any” advantages Emory has over UNC? That’s quite scary especially since you have 4000+ posts on CC.</p>

<p>How about class size? How about student strength? How about diversity? school selectivity? endowment? USnews undergrad ranking? Law school ranking? Medical school ranking? undergrad business school ranking? </p>

<p>All of these are categories in which Emory either easy beats UNC or at the very least ties UNC. For UG business school, for example, some rankings like BW rank Emory higher and others like USnews rank UNC higher. Also, many sources such as College Prow.ler give Emory an A for academics and a B+ for UNC. Most importantly, however, trends show that Emory’s ranking is increasing and is on USnews’s “Schools on the Rise” list. Unfortunately for your argument, UNC has fallen from number 9 back in 1985 to 28 in 2009. I know, facts are inconvenient.</p>

<p>Choose Emory. UNC’s future does not look bright.</p>

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<p>Class size is an overrated and skewed statistic. The difference between a 400 person class at UNC and a 100 person class at Emory is not noticeable. But when you get to your major classes, they’re equal everywhere.</p>

<p>I’d choose UNC. 15,000 per year vs nothing is not a tough choice at all.</p>

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<p>First make sure that the aid will cover three years for you, a transfer. (That would be atypical of a private uni.)</p>

<p>UNC for free is a no-brainer since the Biz schools are similarly-prestigious. Personally, I like Emory a lot, but I like D1 spectator sports better, particularly for free. (I can’t even believe that a prospective finance major is asking this question: do the ROI! hahahahaha)</p>

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<p>well for unc the convenant is good for up to 7 semesters for me as a transfer. While at emory im sure it will be different year to year.</p>

<p>Question for you guys, at which school with it be easier to get A’s in. Im assuming unc? Just wondering because I know how important a high gpa is for the good internships as Id rather have all a’s at unc then b’s at emory.</p>

<p>thanks for all the input guys.</p>

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<p>You do realize that the US News rankings have changed drastically since 1985? USNWR did not weigh the same factors then as they do now. The rankings were eventually tweaked to heavily favor private schools (UIUC at one point was ranked higher than Caltech, IIRC).</p>

<p>UNC’s not going to disappear off the map anytime soon. The reasoning you showed in your post only reveals you’re an incredibly biased person who is going to Emory. College Prow ler rated Emory an A in academics while UNC got a B+? Big deal. Most of the advantages of Emory you named are completely trivial.</p>

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<p>hear or here?
That is the question.
Use hear for sound. That’s your ear.
Use here for location. Come here puppy dog.
And does help spelled with two p’s mean you really need help?
I think you should go back to high school and take an english class.</p>

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<p>… because you claim they’re trivial? School selectivity, endowment, student strength, and overall undergraduate college ranking etc. are trivial? huh? Arguably, they’re very important… far more important to have than having D1 college sports. </p>

<p>So I’m biased for pointing out certain categories in which Emory outclasses UNC. But, when posters like gadad claim that Emory doesn’t have “any advantages” over UNC, that isn’t biased?</p>

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<p>tractor farmer u really need to get a lifee (yes thats two e’s) if you are really picking out small spelling mistakes from a forum post. This is not a paper but only a informal post. Dont be bitter that u got declined from these schools.So please go get a life and stop ■■■■■■■■.</p>

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<p>alam1 are you a current student at emory or starting this coming fall? how hard are the classes/how competitive are the students? and shure emory has a higher endowment, and might be ranked a couple spots higher than unc. does this really translate into higher recruitment for banking than unc? also how is emorys alum connect to the street? I know that unc being such a large school does have some presence on wall street.</p>

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<p>They ARE trivial in terms of ibanking because as noobcake said, both are only semi-target schools for ibanking recruiting. Why do the medical school rankings matter for the respective schools if the OP wants to go into banking?</p>

<p>Your argument is that it’s always better to go to a school that is higher ranked. It’s not always the case, not even in a heavily prestige dependent field such as ibanking. Investment banking recruits primarily from Ivies, so despite Emory having a selectivity roughly comparable to the lower Ivies, they lump Emory into a lesser tier. </p>

<p>There’s also the impression that you think of UNC as a silly sports school. Yes, Emory is more selective and has a bigger endowment than UNC, but UNC’s sure isn’t a joke either. If you think that you’re always going to get a leg up over any UNC grad just because of the ranking of your school, be prepared for a rude surprise.</p>

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<p>amazingblender2, I have a sophomore friend at UNC who is a Carolina Covenant student, and the program has been a complete lifesaver for her. I’m assuming that your EFC is low, because it has to be around $4000 or below to qualify for the program. If you will have to pay $15000 a year at Emory, that becomes a pretty significant amount over time. Comparing the name recognition and prestige of the two schools is like splitting hairs, but keep in mind that the UNC name is recognized throughout the South and much of the country. I had honestly never even heard of Emory before coming to these forums, though I now know it to be an amazing school. If you are set on finance, keep in mind that Charlotte is the second-largest banking center in the US. Chapel Hill is a regular recruiting stop for the banks headquartered there. A Kenan-Flagler degree shouldn’t be readily dismissed, either. USNWR has it ranked #6 in undergraduate business, while Emory isn’t even in their top 10 (even though I don’t put much stock in rankings). Good luck with your decision, whichever you choose will be the right one! :)</p>

<p>P.S. I am really jealous of your Ram Village apartment! ;)</p>

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<p>Nope, I chose Emory over University of Chicago. My views are that students should go where they’re happier (in other words, rely on “fit”). I suspect students who are happy and content with their college choice outshine their frustrated peers in terms of academic performance. </p>

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<p>I can see how my post may have given off this impression. I have great respect for all top public universities (including yours) but a previous poster commented on the excellent sports scene of UNC. Yes, sports is definitely important. I don’t, however, think that it trumps other more important factors like the ones I mentioned. </p>

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<p>It doesn’t. I was answering to gadad’s claim that Emory doesn’t have “any advantages” over UNC. That is very far from the truth.</p>

<p>Seriously, both are excellent schools. I would personally choose Emory but I personally prefer small/mid sized universities over larger ones.</p>

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<p>Well, I’ll apologize if I thought you were overly concerned with rankings, but one of the biggest enemies of deciding with “fit” tends to be the relative rank of schools, so that’s why I picked apart your advice to choose Emory based on its higher rank (as well as rank in several unrelated fields to banking). </p>

<p>Kind of a strange shift in opinion on your part when you ended with “Choose Emory. UNC’s future does not look bright.” in your first comment and now are declaring how much fit matters. Based on what the OP has written it sounds like UNC is a better fit for him than Emory.</p>

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<p>thanks for the replies guys, im leaning more towards unc at this point. It will put less stress on me and my parents about the schoolm and in the end will prob allow me to do better. I agree life is not all about rankings, and we should look more towards what makes us happy.</p>

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<p>Nope - it’s just my life experience. I graduated from Wake Forest, so I’m supposed to bear an inherited grudge against UNC. I certainly like seeing the Tar Heels lose in hoops. :slight_smile: But even as a loyal Demon Deacon, I must admit that public higher education doesn’t get much better than at Chapel Hill. In the state of NC, it’s held in utter reverence. It offers the best of what many people hold as the image of the American college experience. Its academic programs are uniformly well-respected, with some being national leaders. The campus is stunning and students’ evaluations of their experiences there are generally impressive.</p>

<p>As a college administrator in Georgia, I’m well aware of Emory, though I certainly don’t hear as much about it on a regular basis as I did UNC when I lived in NC. That, ironically, might be different if I lived in the Northeast. Emory’s clearly one of the top universities in America, and has affiliated with it one of the top medical complexes in the country. And I probably made too sweeping a generalization earlier; if your field was, say, Biomedical Engineering, Emory would be the clear choice. But for someone with a non-medical interest, I’d personally take UNC for all its unique excellence, not necessarily because Emory is lacking.</p>

<p>In most rankings, selective private universities will have an inherent advantage over public universities because the public schools have missions to serve the residents of their own states. Accordingly, they tend to be larger and have lower student stats in order to ensure access for their state residents. This is a legitimate shortcoming for an average flagship U with 30-40,000 students. But UNC has half that many undergrads and their selectivity for OOS applicants is equivalent to many of the top privates, so I think the impact of its size is greatly reduced.</p>

<p>That’s just a personal preference - there are 7,000 undergrads at Emory who would probably disagree with me (and at least one on CC :slight_smile: ). But if the OP is qualified for Carolina Covenant, $60K over four years would make a very big difference to him, and I’d have trouble justifying that one spend that amount on Emory over UNC.</p>

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Agreed 100%.</p>

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At UNC, 648 undergraduates were enrolled in the business program in fall 2009. Of course, it’s worth noting that students are only allowed to major in business after their first year, so freshmen should be subtracted from calculations. In other words, that translates to somewhere between 216 and 324 undergraduate business majors per class.</p>

<p>At Emory, the class of 2011 had 317 business majors. </p>

<p>If you want to claim that Emory has smaller business courses, I want proof.</p>

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The average college GPAs for successful business applicants at UNC and Emory are 3.56 and 3.58. </p>

<p>The average successful SAT score at Emory for business is between 1356 (2010) and 1371 (2011). UNC regrettably does not separate SAT scores by school, but the average SAT score of all successful UNC applicants is 1310 – one would imagine that it’s a good bit higher for business applicants.</p>

<p>Again, I want proof that the business students at Emory are more accomplished than those at UNC.</p>

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US News puts Emory and UNC at #22 and #28 for law, respectively. US News puts both UNC and Emory at #20 for medicine. For business, US News ranks UNC and Emory #6 and #13, respectively. Business Week ranks them #14 and #7, respectively. </p>

<p>None of the programs particularly helps your case.</p>

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This, of all your points, I will grant you. Atlanta in general and Emory in particular are quite diverse. Additionally, UNC is charter-bound to accept many more in-state students than Emory.</p>

<p>That said, UNC is not exactly Auburn. It’s diverse enough for most people’s purposes, and the presence of other major research universities (Duke, NC State) and the rapidly growing Triangle area lends itself to a more diverse atmosphere than one would expect.</p>

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<p>^ I already admitted that from an UG business perspective, both are roughly equal. When talking about those categories, I was referring to the universities as a whole. It was a reply to gadad’s stubborn assertion that Emory offers no advantages over UNC. Even UNC students would admit some advantages that Emory has over their school. Similarly, I’m sure many Emory students would praise UNC for certain things that it does better. Anyways, getting back to my point, when comparing the universities as a whole, Emory’s student body is stronger (based on SAT) and probably even GPA. Emory’s incoming SAT is around 2100 and GPA is 3.86 this year. I don’t have UNC’s latest numbers but I don’t think it’s higher than the Emory numbers. </p>

<p>% of classes with < 20 students , Private National University
68.2% , Emory</p>

<p>% of classes with < 20 students , State University
44.3% , U N CAROLINA</p>

<p>I don’t have specific Business class numbers but the above are the numbers for the universities as a whole. I actually don’t think it’s UNC’s fault that it has bigger classes than Emory. It’s a large public university… it’s supposed to. However, let’s not pretend that UNC has smaller classes than Emory… that simply isn’t true. </p>

<p>schrizto, that last line of mine was probably unnecessary.</p>