In-State students have NO greater chance than OOS

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<p>To clear the stigma for everyone and anyone: OOS students do not, I repeat: DO NOT, have less of an advantage than In State Students. Call UF 10 times and get 10 different admissions officers. 10 different times you will hear them all say "We don't look at residency during the admissions process." They only look at residency for scholarships. </p>

<p>With that said, the only reason UF has a (much) higher ISS percentage than OOS is simply because more in state students apply. The acceptance rate for OOS is roughly the same as in-state. </p>

<p>I see people on these boards all the time that say things along the lines of, "Good chance! Oh wait, you're out of state? OKAY chance." Or, "You'll have to work a lot harder since you're out of state because UF doesn't admit very many out of state." All of it is false, and it creates the stigma that UF is biased on residency. They are not. </p>

<p>Thank you.</p>

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<p>^Excellent thread. I’ll also come along and say YOUR TERMS DO NOT MATTER, every admissions officer will tell you no matter what you pick, the admissions will be the exact same. Whether you select Summer, Fall, or Innovation Academy (program, but it starts in Spring), it doesn’t matter; there ARE Summer deferments but that has to do with a spacing issue, not a “you’re worse or more superior.”</p>

<p>So if you’re out of state or in state, go ahead and apply. If you want Summer to get a head start or enjoy college life early, do Summer. If you want Fall to stay traditional and keep a standard vacation, do Fall. If you are an innovator or one of the “out of the box” thinkers and are interested in the Innovation Academy, indicate the interest. Just do what suites you best and what your interests are based around; for years I’d see UF admits request term changes because they didn’t pick what they truly wanted (like picking Summer because they thought it was easier).</p>

<p>Of course, the advice I’m giving now pertains for those in Class of 2014 and on.</p>

<p>On a side note, class of “2014”…just that year “2014” that number…sounds so futuristic…I dunno, just open mind thinking</p>

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<p>Whats your source that the acceptance for OOS is “roughly” the same as in-state?</p>

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<p>UFL is a public university financially supported primarily by Florida taxpayers.</p>

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<li> UFL admission committee will screen approximately 31,000 true freshman applicants and offer approximately 7500 acceptances to obtain a freshman class of about 5400 and an approximate maximum of 5 % of the freshman allotments are held for out of state / out of country applicants. Naturally the application pool is larger by percentages for out of state candidate vs. in state candidates, thus based solely on percentages, it is much more competitive for an out of state applicant to obtain admission than an in state applicant. </li>
<li> Secondly, although freshman applications for the 2013 freshman class have come to a close on November 1st, 2012, anyone, including out of state applicants who apply now for consideration are at a distinct disadvantage as UFL admission officials will only consider those “late-applicants” on a space availability basis and since essentially all the spots will be taken coming this February, virtually no spots will be left and chances of gaining admission by “late-applicants” are essentially zero. </li>
<li> “To keep its population from growing too large, the Gators are planning an enrollment experiment. A cohort of about 2,000 undergrads will spend only the spring and summer terms on campus and will not be permitted to take classes in the fall. U. of F. administrators claim that this new gambit will lessen the strain on university resources but will not treat the spring/summer-only enrollees as second-class citizens” Term does matter and those offered admission to the spring/summer term only “are usually those applicants” with lower stats than those accepted for the regular fall term. This effort is an experiment that will open the door to more applicants and place the university on a 12-month calendar instead of a nine-month academic year. Those applicants that possibly would not of had been accepted for the regular fall term have been offered an opportunity to attend UFL. </li>
<li> How is it possible that you contacted UFL admissions over ten separate times and you spoke with 10 separate admission committee members and they all told you the same thing. I hope that you are goofing, as it sounds like you are harassing them. Also, one quick note. Why does all of this matter ? Are you an out of state applicant ?</li>
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<p>@ABPositive- Rebecca Johnson. She’s some sort of OOS admissions officer. </p>

<p>She said when I last spoke to her (August) that the 2012 freshman class was made up of 8% OOS students. Since I’ll be using 2011 statistics from USNews, I’ll estimate that around 5% were OOS, just to prove my point. Let’s run some numbers, eh? </p>

<p>Let’s say 5% OOS. The UF grad+undergrad OOS body is around 3-4% total. </p>

<h2>For the 2011 Fall term</h2>

<p>27,295 Applied
11,786 Admitted
27,295/11,786= 43.2% Acceptance rate for the 2011 Fall term
6,429 of those 11,786 admitted actually attended. </p>

<p>Here comes the confusing part, so read closely:</p>

<p>6,429 x .05 (OOS percentage)= 322 (rounded) OOS students ATTENDED the 2011 fall semester
11,786 x.05 = 589 (rounded) OOS students ADMITTED</p>

<p>Watch carefully, now. </p>

<h2>589/.432 (acceptance rate-roughly the same for OOS)= 1363 APPLIED</h2>

<p>In conclusion:</p>

<h2>No wonder the OOS percentage is so low. They don’t have as many out of state applicants. I’ve read people breaking the hearts of people on this board telling them about OOS caps (which are non-existent) and OOS disadvantages. Literally, anything that has to do with residency discrimination is false. </h2>

<p>@Ilovethe47- I see you around here. Telling people exactly the wrong information about OOS students. </p>

<p>1) Where are you getting these numbers? UF offers approximately 11,000 acceptances and has an attendance of 6,000+ consistently for freshman classes. The latter half of your statement is very misleading. Yes, there’s a much higher ISS percentage at UF. I explained why in my above post: There are more In-state applicants. OOS students are not left to fight among the scraps of the admissions table. In-State students DO NOT get first pick-contrary to what you believe. </p>

<p>2) That is UF policy and irrelevant to residency discrimination. </p>

<p>3) The word Out of State is literally not even mentioned in this point. </p>

<p>4) Well, ilovethe47, if TEN different officers told me the same thing, it must be the truth. There can be no discrepancies with a sample size of 10 random officers. This matters because you, and people you, are misinformed. Stay misinformed for all I care, but people are also MISLEADING OOS hopefuls. It’s false information and it’s just not right. My residency is irrelevant.</p>

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<p>Alright, I have A LOT to type, because I’m tired of seeing users spread false information. To everyone that reads College Confidential, whether you’re a user or a reader, a student or a parent, DO NOT take everything you read off College Confidential as true. Much of the information here is speculated and/or false, and many truths are “half truths.” I stay active on these forums literally to point this stuff out. However, I’ll admit, I can’t and don’t catch everything nor do I respond to everything that is falsified/speculated information.</p>

<p>Anyways, huge post incoming:</p>

<p>@ilovethe47: Where do you even get your information? Wow, okay, a lot of things to address as “clean up.” Mainly at #3 because the way you explain #3 and what you say is a continued false speculation and false impression that needs to stop.</p>

<p>1.) It’s actually approximately 29,000-30,000 and over 11,000 acceptances for about 7000+ spots with all terms combined. Your information within this post is false and outdated. Most applications are instate. </p>

<p>2.) I won’t disagree here.</p>

<p>3.) This is where you are super false and this is where I say that you need to stop speculating and start getting your facts right.</p>

<p>The Innovation Academy is a ambition by Bernie Machen and the university, and a huge one at that. This is where I know your entire post is full of random information that is false/speculated. First of all, students in this program are only restricted from PHYSICAL fall classes. Online Fall classes are still allowed and special exceptions (like not having to be a full time student in the Fall or a enrolled student at all to get student Football tickets) are granted for the Fall. </p>

<p>Students within the program give up their Fall/Spring spots; this allows for students who AREN’T interested in the program, that would’ve otherwise (may or may not have) gotten rejected, to be accepted in the Summer or Fall/Spring. What I find especially mind boggling is how you just assume and speculate “lower stats” for students in this program. That is completely false and an ultimate testimony to show that you just CAN’T trust everything you read here on college confidential. </p>

<p>The Innovation Academy is no expiriment, however the calendar is. It does indeed bear as the entryway and transition to a 12 month academic calendar HOWEVER this is a very “two birds with one stone” ambition. You see, you may have noticed UF has been getting really big on innovation lately, ranging from the Innovation Square to things like the Center of Entrepeneurship. Bernie Machen wanted to bring the idea of teaching (IN-DEPTH) and fostering innovation, leadership, creativity, and etc. to students at the University of Florida. However, the university also knew of the space limited to it. So you have a prevalant ambition and a prevalant problem. </p>

<p>So here’s what happened: There was the idea of a Spring/Summer calendar with minor Fall restrictions. The question is, who would do it? That’s where the the idea of how the IA will be implemented came about. Students in the program would have minor fall restrictions (physical class and on campus housing restrictions) in return for an elevated and enhanced academic experience; an additional credential to add to the one they would’ve normally gained through regular UF. If UF literally admitted lower stats students into the program, that damages the authenticity and credibility of admissions and it blankets over the visions and ambitions of the program itself. The reputation of the university would be damaged and the admission officers would be considered liars. In addition, essentially ANYONE that applies IA would get in, but that’s not the case; numerous students that apply IA get rejected, and those accepted are either accepted to IA or accepted to Fall/Spring (and it is dependant on where admissions wants to put the applicant and who they want for the program).</p>

<p>The program is meant to aid and capture the attention of students who want to express their innovative and creative ideas…to enhance those ideas. That is why the option is there; that is why it is an OPTION. As a matter of fact, had IA students NOT indicate interest, they would’ve STILL gotten admitted, just only for Fall/Spring. Of course, this would mean that the spots they opened up (after taking IA) would be occupied, and the extra admits that were put into those open spots would be rejected. I’m also going to put out my favorite irrefutable evidence that IA is NOT full of students that were meant to be rejects: THE HONORS PROGRAM at the University of Florida ALLOWS AND ACCEPTS students from IA. That’s a program ONLY for the best of the best (academically at UF). How does this prove my point? Because if IA was full of less acadmically talented students, Honors would NOT be an option. That would be pointless and misleading. However, IT IS an option. I’m saying it in caps lock: IA IS NOT FULL OF STUDENTS OF LOWER STATS. STUDENTS IN IA ARE JUST AS ELIGIBLE FOR SUMMER AND FALL/SPRING AS ANY OTHER STUDENT.</p>

<p>So, again: TERM DOES NOT MATTER. And the thing is ilovethe47, it is people like you that continue to spread about this false and ridiculous speculation and information. It does not matter if you apply Summer, Fall, or Innovation Academy…picking any of these has ZERO BEARING on your admissions status. This has been said by the university officials, this has been said by admissions officers, and it will continue to be said. You may wonder “but wait, what about summer defermment? Isn’t that only for the least deserving?” No. It’s only for the event of no more space in the Fall. Both stronger end and weaker end applicants face defermment. I should also mention that UF has increased the amount they accept in the Summer…Now that brings up the question “OHHHH but what about the fact the Fall profile is stronger than Summer (or IA)?” Well, first off all, the information for each separate profile for each separate term is NOT released, so any profiles like “this is the Summer 2012 profile” is a load of nonsense. UF admissions releases one collective profile, and that is the profile of the class altogether. All terms mixed together, as one whole profile, that’s it. But let’s pretend we did know of the profiles for each term separately and you see the summer profile is weaker than the fall…what does that mean? It simply means more of the weaker end of the applicant pool applied summer and more of the stronger end applied Fall. That’s ALL it means. It does NOT mean “ohhh so the summer admits weren’t eligible for Fall” it literally just means, more students that applied summer just HAPPENED to have weaker stats. Regardless, those students are eligible for Fall just as much as they are for Summer and IA. IA students are eligible for Fall and Summer just as much as they are for IA. Fall students are just as eligible for Summer and IA just as they are for Fall. These terms are OPTIONS, not factors that hold weight to your admission to the university.</p>

<p>You may wonder why I am typing so much but it’s because I’m sick and tired of seeing people spread lies/speculations/false information about things regarding a university I absolutely love. It gives the wrong impression on many things and students, albeit they shouldn’t be doing this, use CC as a source of info. And when they read stuff like yours ilovethe47, they think it’s all authentic. WHEN IT’S NOT. It is posts like yours that’s the reason students still apply Summer, get in, then try to transfer to Fall and admissions just ends up saying “why didn’t you apply Fall in the first place? You still would’ve gotten in.” YET AGAIN I am saying: PICKING SUMMER OR INNOVATION ACADEMY DOES NOT MAKE IT EASIER TO GET INTO UF; IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING FOR ADMISSION. IF YOU ARE NOT “ELIGIBLE ENOUGH” TO BE SELECTED FOR ADMISSION FOR FALL, YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ANY TERM. IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ONE TERM, YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THEM ALL. </p>

<p>I’m literally shouting it out so that it can be clear. For anyone that is applying to UF in the future, pick what you want. If you want to be an entrepeneur or foster a leadership or higher learning sense and you are genuiley interested in the IA, pick it. If you want Summer, pick it. If you want Fall pick it. There is no easy way into UF. UF accepts students as one enrolling class. </p>

<p>And don’t forget, that I’m not taking into account the fact that students who should’ve and would’ve gotten accepted, STILL get rejected. Don’t forget that admissions is holistic as well.</p>

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<li>This matters because it’s a matter of getting the facts straight. Your facts, what you say, you’re entire post except for #2 is false and full of speculation. And it’s not harassment, it’s called looking for the facts. Admissions have phone and a number for a reason. It is part of their job to answer their phones and questions people have, even if it’s the same question from the same person 10000000 times.<br></li>
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<p>Ilovethe47, I’ve seen many of your posts. And many times you post FALSE, innaccurate information and/or speculate like tommorrow, then proceed to say each post with maximum confidence and zero doubt, when in fact what you say has barely any proper authenticity. Start going to the source of information for your info. (the University). If you have any info. that is NOT from the university, provide a source and it’s up to people to decide if it’s credible or not (or for someone else to mention if it or isn’t and then give their own reasons for why that is). One thing I have noticed in your posts is that you have a lot of “half truths.” You’ll say something that’s true, but squeeze in your false speculations. This makes your “truths” indeed “false.” They are considered “half truths” however, only because PART of them are the truth, part of them are not.</p>

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<p>And one last thing to add, I get almost ALL of my information from University officials and admission officers. The information I don’t get directly from the University is information I get via university websites, interviews with university officials, and etc. Notice that I do not speculate.</p>

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<p>Borntobeagator - to use your condescending “here comes the confusing part” and “watch closely now” you still didnt provide any stats…you just backed into them using a ratio of how many OOS there where in the freshman class in 2011. I am not disagreeing with the original premise but you can’t keep belittling others without giving some hard facts. Until then you “confusing part” and “watch closely” now are as meaningless as the rest.</p>

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<p>Dude, you need to chill out and relax as I was only providing information that I have learned firsthand from my own personal experiences with UFL freshman admission and by attending UFL for the past three years. I am currently applying for graduate school to various schools including UFL and in no way am I attempting to distress you, but rather I am attempting to guide future UFL freshman prospect. If you are this stressed over gaining admissions to UFL, then possibly you may not be ready for college in your present state of mind. Just relax, take whatever is stated here with a grain of salt and don’t always believe everything you hear nor everything you read.<br>
The UFL admission committee is overwhelmed with 1,000’s of deserving applicants and although many deserving applicants will be turned away, the admission committee is genuinely attempting their best with the limited resources they have available to them. As I have previously stated, those in-state applicants with the highest GPA / SAT scores have the greatest chance of gaining admission and you can toss the holistic review out the door along with most of the out-of-state and late applicants.
One last point, stop harassing the admission’s office by calling them so many times.</p>

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<p>@ABPositive: There really aren’t any true facts except from sites like, maybe collegeboard or something, and even those facts and stats aren’t to be taken with much weight because it’s not directly from the university.</p>

<p>@ilovethe47: Alright, I apologize if I seemed a bit “un-calm” so to speak in my previous post, that was not my intention. My intention was to get to the point and emphasize it. Second off, I’m already attending UF now. I’ve already been accepted and I’m already doing classes. I understand you want to help freshman prospect but the thing is, I’ve been working here too and I know a lot of what you say is incorrect. I’m trying to make sure freshman prospect understand and know the right information. I understand what you’re trying to do is to be helpful, but you aren’t giving out the right info. Look, if you want to help freshman prospect, get your information straight from the source. Call (or go to) the admissions office and talk to them. Go to housing and talk to them. Go to whoever is responsible for whatever and talk to them.</p>

<p>And I’m saying it again, it is NOT harassment to call the admissions office for proper information. I actually talked to one of the admissions officers one time, asked them about college confidential. They laughed and basically said how ridiculous the information people put on here is. From time to time the admission officer I talked to looks over at this site to see what people say about the school and how it works. I know for sure the admissions officers would prefer to “be harassed” (even though it is not harassing) by getting plenty of calls with plenty of questions, if it means they have to give the proper answers to any and every question. That’s how they can stop getting so many applicants who apply to Summer, IA, or Fall for the wrong reasons, that’s how they can stop getting people who keep speculating and guessing on the process. I remember quite a number of people on CC right here, would speculate and guess to no end, picking summer and etc. etc. They had pretty high SATs and GPAs. Like I’m talking in the 1900+ and 4.2+…a number of them got rejected. And they wondered why when they THOUGHT they knew how admissions work. Admissions officers have several things to do in their job. One of them is to guide freshman prospects PROPERLY and two of those ways is by calling them and visiting them. </p>

<p>One thing for sure is, you cannot simplify or summarize admissions. It’s far too complex, far too many factors. I believe race still places a role (albeit not a big one; don’t take this sentence with much weight I never actually called admissions recently to learn if it is or isn’t, and I’ll let you guys know whenever I have info. that is recent and up to date; this info. is not as such).</p>

<p>EDIT: Again, your comment about the in-state advantage over out-of-state, was it directly from the university? Directly from admissions officers? If not call them and ask (or just go to them since you’re on campus; I call because it’s just easier).</p>

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<p>You guys have way 2 much time on your hands</p>

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<p>Agree with that!</p>

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<p>I don’t agree that it’s too much time on your hands. I think it speaks to how highly UF students and alumni think about their school.</p>

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<p>@gouf78 is right. Technically I’m a current student, however I do try to stay active on these forums because I know quite a number of prospective students come on these forums and I want them to know the right info. CC is no reliable source of info. and I’m no professional myself. But I try to make things here at least a little better, putting to rest myths and speculations. I love UF and I want people to know about what UF has to offer and the beauty of it.</p>

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<p>I apologize but I’m really confused you indicated that you are technically a student at UF? I guess in reality you are just a high school kid taking correspondence courses @ Ufl. Wow I am such a jerk.</p>

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<p>ilovethe47, gouf78 mentioned alumni, I’m not alumni, I’m a current UF student. That’s why I said “technically” I’m a current student because gouf78 was mentioning alumni speaking so highly of UF. I’m a STUDENT, not an alumni, but I speak highly of UF, and I was backing up gouf78’s point despite me being a student. That’s why I said “technically I’m a current student.”</p>

<p>I don’t know why I have to explain this…And there you go again with speculation, this time without reason, now you have me confused a bit.</p>

<p>EDIT: WOW, nvm, I just re-read gouf78’s post. They mentioned “students and alumni.” I didn’t read the students part initially when I posted my reply backing them up; must’ve missed it. Happens. I’m human, right? Even more so, I still don’t get why you looked so into this and somewhat flipped out for such a miniscule detail (the word “technically”). I may as well look super into it myself and say “technically, the definition of technically is ‘strictly to the facts’ so my usage in the word is absolutely fine and you just are sooo randomly speculating” and whatnot.</p>

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<p>Theoretically, wouldn’t it be easier to get admitted to summer than to fall even if admissions does not look at the term you applied for? If they are admitting on a space-available basis, and most students believe it is easier to get in to the session, wouldn’t more insecure applicants with lower stats apply for summer, while more confident applicants apply for fall? so technically wouldn’t there be less competition for the summer session?</p>

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<p>@ellem6: popular misconception; first off your admitted or rejected, with terms disregarded. There is no such thing as “rejected from fall yet accepted to summer” for uf admissions. Scenario: uf admits everyone and there are too many fall kids for fall and not enough summer kids. What happens? Summer deferment to excess fall kids. </p>

<p>And yeah, usually summer has weaker students (SUPPOSEDLY, this isn’t confirmed) admitted but that’s because more weak students apply summer. A strong student applying summer does not mean they’ll get in easier. I know what you’re thinking, it’s that the strong student is being compared to just the summer applicants (assumingly weaker), thus they have a stronger chance. However, the way uf admissions works is all students are compared to each other. Fall compared next to summer, summer next to fall, IA interests next to non-IA interests, even fall to fall, and etc. it’s not as divided as you assume, all applicants are compared together and are admitted as one enrolling class. So a summer applicant for example, won’t be compared to just summer applicants, they’ll be compared to fall applicants too and etc. Just to specilate for explanation purposes, imagine as if admissions couldn’t even see the terms, they only saw the applications, and when admitting and rejecting, they don’t know who’s fall, who’s summer, and who’s IA interest. </p>

<p>I’m generalizing and simplifying but yeah. I’m no expert at admissions, especially given how detailed and complicated process , but after talking to various admissions officers multiple times and peicing together tidbits they tell me each conversation I get a general idea of how they work; and I start to see why when they say “‘it’s easier to get into summer’ is a myth”, ACTUALLY meant it when they say it. </p>

<p>No admissions officer will sit with you and discuss the step by step process, it’s far too detailed and generally that information is not commonly shared (for whatever reason; it’s like a businesse man won’t give the exact step by step process of how he runs business or how he did it), however the more you talk to admissions and hear tidbits here and there of how certain things in their process works, the more you understand. </p>

<p>You really can’t speculate at all and you really should take what admission officers say word for word. They DO NOT lie, which is why I think it’s ridiculous when a admissions officer says something, many people assume and speculate they may or may not being lying and then they theorize their own idea of how the process works.</p>

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<p>Okay, well that’s good to know. I applied for summer because I was nervous about getting in. But I don’t regret it because I think it’s more beneficial for freshman to start in the summer than the fall…</p>

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<p>Lol you might find Summer to be your favorite term. It’s the calmest one and it’s easiest to study in that term. Connecting with professors is easier and you sort of feel less like a number during that time. Best time on campus for sure; Fall is basically football and homecoming period. Spring is like a fusion of Fall and Summer if that makes sense hah</p>