<p>Well if that's they're opinion - that's they're opinion
you can dislike it but they shouldnt have to silence themselves over it</p>
<p>I said that it was tasteless and outlined why I felt it was wrong. I never said that they did not have the freedom to speak their opinion.</p>
<p>i wasnt referring to that actually
this is what i was referring to
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I hate it when people resort to "The North kicked the South's ass, get over it" - injustices should not be forgotten or celebrated. The North's political tactics were bad enough, but the military tactics that were employed, especially by General Sherman, are enough that the War Between the States should be looked back upon with shame, not with jubilation.
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so i'm lost as to what you're talking about</p>
<p>Yes, that is what I was referring to. You know, because I wrote it. I said that saying "The North kicked the South's ass, get over it" is tasteless, and outlined why I felt it was wrong. I never said people who do not agree are not free to speak their minds.</p>
<p>Get out! You wrote that?! Damn, I thought I did.
Well aren't you the little genius.
Nevertheless, the "north did kick the south's ass". They're simply stating the truth.</p>
<p>Yes, they are. Saying that the Soviets kicked the kulaks' asses is also stating the truth.</p>
<p>Given the circumstances, the South militarily performed much better. Had the South better supplies and more men, it would have easily won given its superior generals.
I consider the war a stalemate, but I know many others will disagree.</p>
<p>Gettysburg says otherwise.</p>
<p>why don't we look at the terms of surrender at Appomattox?</p>
<p>north won.
south lost.</p>
<p>Neverborn,</p>
<p>True about Gettysburg, however Grant fell to our feet at Fredericksburg(albeit some loser shot Jackson).
We would have been victorious at Gettysburg had we seized the upper end of the hill. Blah, Lee told us confederates, "Bare no animosity and make your sons Americans." I will submit, general!</p>
<p>A question for those who question: Who is better Jackson or JEB Stuart. I would have to say JEB Stuart.</p>
<p>Lee also said that the surrender was the worst decision he made, and if he knew the atrocity Reconstruction was going to be, he would have waged a guerrilla war until he died.</p>
<p>Pickett's Charge was an absolute disaster and lost the war for the Confederacy.</p>
<p>This is in response to posts #73-74 (yes, I know it was a while ago, but I've been gone a while):</p>
<p>Um, no, nobody is trying to throw anybody out of the country. You people need to watch the news. The legislation has absolutely nothing to do with sending people back to Mexico. And how do protesters have a right to be angry, let alone ANY of the rights granted specifically to American citizens: illegal aliens are not citizens!</p>
<p>well after reading the post above this one i just had to go back and look at those posts</p>
<p>and i completely agree with calicollegegirl
illegal aliens are not citizens and not supposed to be here in any way shape or form. And i don't udnerstand why so many people want them here either, they are taking jobs where they get paid "under the table". do you know what that means? no taxes for them, the lucky bastards. meanwhile every one that is legally in this country is paying taxes. how is that right. not to mention they are sending their kids to public schools...oh and whats this? public schools are funded by the taxes that they don't even pay for. so pretty much kids that do go to public schools who's parents are here legally are getting deprived of the better education that they could get were there more taxes being payed allowing more money into the system. not only that but these geniuses that are here also drive cars around. and lets say one of them gets in an accident with a legal citizen...what happens? the legal citizen gets screwed UP THE ASS! and the possibilities are endless. i don't mind immigration, as long as it is LEGAL.</p>
<p>and to post number 75...to me the confederate flag is not a symbol of racism, ignorance, and divisiveness at all. it is a symbol of standing up for what you believe in and fighting for your rights. though i am very much against slavery and inequality between races i would still proudly wave the confederate flag.</p>
<p>I agree with the above. Being in Nor Cal, it is idiotic how these people, mainly those Mexicans, complain and cry for the rights of the indocumented criminals. What makes me sick and quite angry is how some have the nerve to fly their flag of inferiority and idiocy in our fine country. If you love Mexico that much, go back. We all know that despite their cries to become Americans, if the U.S. ever reinstated the draft, the majority would run across them deserts and swim the Rio Grande faster than an Olympic athlete would. Just their approach in how protested, skipping school and work, though not new some, a good many are just plain lazy and ignorant, did nothing to show the country, much less the world, that these people are deserving of free hand out of citizenship. To continue my diatrube, what infuriorate more is how some try call this the "new Civil Rights Movement". In no way did these people come close to suffering and sacraficing as did the black. Just because run through the desert, swim a river or hide in the trunk of car does not mean you have suffered and sacrificed. I would not want my parents and my tax money paying for the education and wellfare of these people, just because they come and have chain of kids, whom often grow up to become criminals and as a result up more of our tax money that could better be used to redeem our good nation. Let's hope those politicians do what's right and pass those reforms to control this crime against Americans and limit the vultures that suck up our resources. By the way, I have no problem with legal immigrants. I respect a man or a woman who put effort in learning how to speak English, assimilate and pursue citizenship the appropriate way, like the Irish and Italians did so long ago.</p>
<p>Not to mention that the kids go to public schools WHICH HAVE TO START DOING PA ANNOUNCEMENTS IN SPANISH. This just happened at my school and I was in disbelief. OUR MORNING ANNOUNCEMENTS ARE IN SPANISH NOW. I became physically ill. I think it's great to speak Spanish and be bilingual or whatever, and speak it at home with your family if you would like, but if you're going to demand American rights, you could at least learn the American language. If Americans were going to go to any other country to live there permanently, most of them would learn the local language, out of respect and out of necessity. The problem is that we no longer make it a necessity to learn English, because we do MORNING ANNOUNCEMENTS IN SPANISH.</p>
<p>In response to the above:
This is not to say that I favor "assimilation." I don't see how hard it is to learn English and still retain one's cultural identity. (I know learning English is difficult, I just mean that learning a new language is in no way denying one's own heritage.)</p>
<p>You both say you have no problem with Mexicans or immigrants, but clearly, there is a lot of anger in both of your posts. "Flag of inferiority?" Please. If you consider the impact immigrants have on the nation's economy with the work they are able to do without papers, and then put yourself in their place, I think you would not be so quick to jump to conclusions. I don't support illegal immigration, but I support the people who are just trying to make a better life for themselves. If visas were more attainable (and they are not; for thousands of Mexicans, it take years, which can be too long), then the incentive for moving legally would be much greater. There is no black or white solution, and there is no good or bad side. The fact remains that undocumented Mexican immigrants make a positive impact on the economy, especially in agriculture. Why don't we make it easier for them to obtain visas instead of trying to send them back to a country they want to escape? Go rent the movie A Day Without A Mexican.</p>
<p>You both? Does that include me? Also, did you miss the part where I pointed out that NO ONE is trying to "send them back to a country they want to escape"?</p>
<p>I admit, I hadn't vented my frustion when I posted earlier. Some irrational statements slipped in "Flag of inferiority?". Yes, their agricultural labor is much appreciated. Still, we don't their whole country in our nation. Consider all these protestors in the "cities". Those 75,000 in San Jose or 300,000 in LA were not all farmers that we hold in "ideal respect". There were the lazy who didn't to go to work or school. Honestly, should these be the people represent this recommenced Civil Rights Movement. Mayve I do have a bit prejudice towards Mexicans. Reasonably, I don't like my back as I walk down the street and see a group of them smoking pot in the garage. Forgive me for that generalization, but the amount of them that are successful compared to the amount that are either in prison or on the path to it, is unacceptable. And rather than add to the masses with more liberal immigration reforms, we should resolve the problems we have with those already in our country. Whether we fix our education system or increase the amount of police on the streets, our tax money is needed more greatly in improvements rather than for wellfare and education for a population we can't support. </p>
<p>By the way I'm not trying to offend anyone here, I just trying to express a counter-point to this situation. It seems we here nothing but support for absurdity, but we hear little to nothing to those in opposition. All I've heard was about them Good Ol' Boy minute their fence along the border, and other burning those Mexican flags. Typing an just seems more productive to me. I don't know.</p>
<p>No, they shouldn't, anyone who marches with International ANSWER is not to be respected.</p>
<p>Going back..</p>
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The North's political tactics were bad enough, but the military tactics that were employed, especially by General Sherman, are enough that the War Between the States should be looked back upon with shame, not with jubilation
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<p><em>cough</em>
Allied bombing of Dresden
US firebombing of Tokyo
Hiroshima and Nagasaki</p>
<p>About illegal immigrants. </p>
<p>What right to do illegal immigrants have (most of whom can't speak proper English or have no clue about US History, politics and culture) that allows them to become American citizens over us hard working, LEGAL immigrants that pay taxes (at a high rate mind you), don't leech of social security and the state, and STILL are waiting to get a GREEN CARD, forget citizenship. It's ********. Whatever happens, I hope they help us LEGAL immigrants first</p>