Inner Council of the California Ivies

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - Berkeley
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<p>OK, so the California Ivies are:</p>

<p>Berkeley, UCLA, UCSF, UCSD, Claremont/Pomona/Harvey Mudd, Cal Tech, USC, and Stanfurd. </p>

<p>UCSD and USC on paper are as good as Brown. But Brown becomes the target of those who "want to go to ivy no matter what", and gets artificially raised in status. I think we can do the same for UCSD and USC. </p>

<p>Here are our assets:</p>

<p>Berkeley : Best grad programs, Best PhD programs anywhere, best research, and greatest number of high performing undergrads out of any university period. </p>

<p>Cal Tech : Best science research around per person</p>

<p>UCSF: best medical research period</p>

<p>Stanfurd: our little brother has grown up to be pretty big</p>

<p>UCLA: International name for the best city in the world and top notch research in all fields. One of the most balanced universities period, public or private. </p>

<p>Harvey Mudd: Science on par with Berkeley, Cal Tech, Stanfurd</p>

<p>UCSD: Science on par with the best in the east coast ivies. </p>

<p>USC: our third quarter surge</p>

<p>We have no friends outside of California except for University of Michigan. Don't forget that. Woo hoo!</p>

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<p>USC: our third quarter surge</p>

<p>??</p>

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<p>^ Yeah. Like in football or basketball, score is tied, coming out of the locker room at halftime, we need a catalyst to overcome the disadvantage of playing away from home, we're running out of breath, and then USC comes through with an amazing touchdown that demoralizes the other side to set the tone for the second half. Then we win! Hooray for us!</p>

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<p>Take Ucla Offf</p>

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<p>rofl that was great west sidee. USC definitely deserves the california ivy league spot with that quality.</p>

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<p>And her comes the CALvalry to tell everyone that the UCLA regiment is a bunch of redheaded stepchildren.</p>

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<p>Palm league sounds cool.</p>

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<p>If California schools really want to be like the ivy league they will need to make some changes that may not be popular. One of the reasons that the ivy league schools have an unmatched reputation is because they have avoided the hippocracy and double standards that run wild in the rest of the ncaa division 1 schools. Many years ago the ivy league schools agreed to a set of rules that have kept them above the cesspool of modern big time college athletics. They do not allow athletic scholorships, they have very restricted practice schedules, they have strict rules requiring athletes to match the average student in qualifications and they strictly regulate the credit hours taken by athletes during thier season. </p>

<p>In California only Caltech would meet the standards held up in the "real" ivy league. Despite feeble claims to the contrary even Stanford does not live up to the blend of scholorship and athletics required in the Ivy league. One only has to read Tom Wolfs newest book (his fictional univeristy was a blend of Duke and Stanford) to see how things work at the "big sports" non ivy schools. When usc, cal, ucla and Stanford are ready to accept the type of football and basketball programs in place in the real ivy league they must consider themselves to be a different type of animal.</p>

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<p>California is the 5th biggest economy in the entire world. We don't have to follow anyone else's model. Its based purely on research and academic excellence. Spots can always be challenged. It will keep us competitive, so that when the international standards gets raised enough to challenge the US, we'll be ready because we are competitively honed.</p>

<p>Science, Technology, Research, Progressiveness, etc... we have 4 of the 5 best science universities in the US. We win EASILY.</p>

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<p>"Despite feeble claims to the contrary even Stanford does not live up to the blend of scholorship and athletics required in the Ivy league."</p>

<p>Haha, Stanford surpasses the ivy-league. Also, since the center of the economy and culture has shifted to California, I think the ivy-league wants to be more like Stanford than remain stagnant as they are. I mean, who gives a hoot about Cornell, Penn, Columbia, Brown, or Dartmouth? I would think the lesser ivies would want to be more like a certain school in California than remain in the shadows of Harvard and Yale.</p>

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<p>By type of football and basketball programs in place you mean crappy, right? C'mon. The PAC-10 is consistently in the lead for practically every sport in the NCAA, and here you are shooting your mouth off.</p>

<p>Stanford is a beast in academics, and UCLA and Cal are no slouches either. You must've missed it, but they're considered "peer institutions." There's a good reason why, too. </p>

<p><a href="http://www.pac-10.org/school-bio/pac10-school-bio.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.pac-10.org/school-bio/pac10-school-bio.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>just a comment but sometimes i dont know why the ivys are so hyped. i mean in terms of science cal ucla and ucsd beats pretty much all the ivys. in terms of engineering cal beats all, and ucla beats all but cornell and princeton. i mean yes, if you wanna study humanities then the ivys are your place, but for a more science based education it seems like the UC's are better than the ivys</p>

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<p>True, but the ivies have the distinction of having a huge "prestige factor"</p>

<p>even schools like columbia/cornell/penn who would not be as "elite" in their own right, are hyped up by the prestige factor. its irrational but its true :(</p>