Internal Transfers to Wharton

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Pennsylvania
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<p>A few months ago, I applied to Penn A&S because I was trying to do a more theoretical approach to Economics. For several reasons that don’t really matter, I now wish I had applied to Wharton because I am looking for a more applied approach.</p>

<p>THe point is, if I were to go to Penn A&S, I would immediately try to transfer to Wharton, but I’ve heard this isn’t easy at all. My question is this, for those in the know: What exactly is the criteria for internal transfers? Would something like second semester senior grades matter? Second semester senior EC’s? Or only what I do during my (hopefully) short time in arts and sciences? THanks</p>

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<p>Internal transfer requirements change frequently, so don't count on it. A shift in your interests from liberal arts to business must be grounded in reasons that matter to you, so just think through what you want from college before deciding where to go.</p>

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<p>If I recall correctly, you have to stay in CAS for a year and then they look at your freshman GPA and that's all. That's the good news. The bad news is that you have to be above 3.8 or something like that - I guess the cutoff varies each year according to the # of spots they have available vs. the number of requests. They only have a few opening in Wharton, so they can take only a few people no matter what . They also realize that many "changes of heart" are people trying to sneak into Wharton by the back door 'cause CAS is easier to get into and they have no desire to leave that door open. It must make their life easier just to do it in simple grade order and not have to read essays and listen to sob stories.</p>

<p>Also by the end of your fresh. year you won't have taken certain Wharton core courses so you'll be behind and have to either take summer courses or stay longer. So it's not impossible to switch but it ain't easy either.</p>

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<p>You say someone who transfers would be behind in core wharton courses but I've heard that even going to A&S you can still take wharton classes. Would that be advisable to do as a freshman...or if I got denied transfer to wharton would those credits be useless in A&S so no?</p>

<p>In addition...you say that despite all the people trying to backdoor there is no interview process to screen for that or anything? I feel like my reasons are very legit so something like that would really help me out in comparison to other applicants...so any of this or literally nothing but gpa? thanks in advance again</p>

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<p>Look on the website (Wharton). It sets forth the criteria for an internal transfer. You have to take Calc 104 and the first two Econ courses. You need at least a 3.4 GPA, but in actuality it is more like 3.7. It is based strictly on GPA.</p>

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<p>Despite what people say its actually quite easy to transfer into wharton. just take 4 classes each semester for a year, make sure they're easy, and get good grades.</p>

<p>I think its a little messed up that it's still based strictly on GPA, though, since some classes are easier than others.</p>

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<p>It's all by GPA. They don't want to hear your sob story - - No one goes in and says "I'm a backdoor applicant". They always have a real good reason just like yours. So they don't even ask. Sorry. You can and should take at least the econ and calc courses and maybe you can fit some others in that would overlap - you have to study the requirements of the CAS econ major and see what you can fit in that you could get credit for in either school. Or you could do meyer1b's strategy and take courses known to be easy so you can be sure of getting a 3.8.</p>

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<p>Wharton students usually don't take any core classes freshman year - they have a lot of general requirements to fulfill. What they usually do take are the econ courses and calc 104.</p>

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<p>Read this...slow to load but important</p>

<p><a href="http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2005/04/27/Opinion/Look-Before.You.Leap-2148060.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailypennsylvanian.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2005/04/27/Opinion/Look-Before.You.Leap-2148060.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailypennsylvanian.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Here is the recommended freshman curric from the Wharton undergrad webpage:
Example of a First-Year Student’s Schedule
Fall
ECON 001
MATH 103 or MATH 104 or STAT 101
Writing About
MGMT 100
Foreign Language or non-business elective
Spring
ECON 002
MATH 104 or STAT 101 or STAT 102
Writing About (if not completed in the fall)
OPIM 101
Foreign Language or non-business elective</p>

<p>I won't argue with snipanlol whether these are "core" classes or not but some of them (Mgmt 100, Opim 101 ) are business oriented and not "general" requirements.</p>

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<p>True, two of them. But two credits don't really put you very far behind the other Wharton students.</p>

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<p>There are a ton of threads on this topic. Please also see our website, where absolutely everything you need to know is outlined. </p>

<p><a href="http://undergrad.wharton.upenn.edu/degree_programs/internal_transfers.cfm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://undergrad.wharton.upenn.edu/degree_programs/internal_transfers.cfm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Do not contact anyone in Wharton now, over the summer, or during the first few months of classes about transferring. We don't consider that appropriate since you haven't yet experienced the curriculum to which you applied and were admitted. You can discuss a potential transfer with your College advisor once you get to campus. </p>

<p>Also - we did change the Econ curriculum for Wharton students. However, non-Wharton students CANNOT register for Econ 010 so you still do the Econ 001 and 002 sequence. The fall after you are admitted you must take BPUB 250, and in the spring after you are admitted you must take MGMT 100. To feel less behind, you should also take STAT (if you're done with Math) and OPIM 101 in the spring your first year.</p>

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<p>thanks for the info</p>

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<p>Econ, math, stat, opim...wow, wharton sounds fun</p>

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<p>JohnnyK - you're paying $40k/year so you can have fun? Take the 40k and go to the beach in Cancun - you'll have even more fun there. You'll have even more fun when your English degree qualifies you for a job at McDonalds.</p>

<p>Wharton students do have fun outside of class, but the curriculum is serious - that's what makes employers willing to pay them big bucks when they graduate.</p>

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<p>No, I'm on financial aid. I don't pay a dime in tuition.</p>

<p>How many CEOs have undergraduate business degrees?</p>

<p>Exactly.</p>

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<p>"Can undergraduate courses rival MBAs?</p>

<p>By Peter Walker for CNN
Monday, July 24, 2006 </p>

<p>Fast lane to success for undergraduate business students?</p>

<p>(CNN) -- While an MBA might be seen as the standard passport to big business success, increasing numbers of young students are now looking at a more direct route to the top: undergraduate business degrees.</p>

<p>Once seen as a distinct poor second choice for the less able, undergraduate business programs are fast increasing in prestige, a trend emphasized by a major new survey of US schools conducted by Business Week.</p>

<p>The magazine polled nearly 100,000 business majors at 84 of the best US universities and colleges, as well as separately surveying college recruiters and business programs themselves.</p>

<p>One key finding was that top-quality undergraduate business courses generally flourish alongside similarly prestigious MBA schools -- nine of the top 10 undergraduate programs have highly ranked MBA programs as well.</p>

<p>In top place was the famous Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, while other famous MBA names -- MIT, Michigan, Virginia -- are scattered around the top spots.</p>

<p>Undergraduate business degrees are now seen as a serious proposition for those looking to get ahead in business, especially the eager types unwilling to take a first degree and then put in the requisite years of real world experience demanded by MBA programs.</p>

<p>While average salaries for those finishing undergraduate courses are rising all round, business majors have fared better than anyone, with an increase of 49% from 1996, according to the National Association of Colleges and Employers. This is against a 29% increase for liberal arts students and 39% for engineering graduates.</p>

<p>For business undergraduates at the top schools, average starting salaries can now easily exceed $50,000.
New methods</p>

<p>This rise in prestige has been mirrored by a revamp of undergraduate business programs, with the top ones increasingly resembling MBAs thanks to an emphasis on the rigorous study of economics, statistics and accounting and MBA-like teaching methods using case studies and team exercises.</p>

<p>In contrast, Business Week said, the lower-ranked undergraduate courses tended to still follow the older methods of having less business theory and more practical application.</p>

<p>"What you're seeing is a polarization," Barbara E. Kahn, director of Wharton's undergraduate business division, told Business Week. "This is different from what it was 25 years ago. It wasn't the academic experience it is today."</p>

<p>Reflecting, and at the same time powering the rapid improvements in the top undergraduate courses is the caliber of the students trying to sign up. At Wharton, just 16% of the 4,200 high school seniors applying for the course won admittance, while at fourth-placed MIT, the figure was just 14%."</p>

<p>Nuff said?</p>

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<p>that "english" major jab was harsh man</p>

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<p>Johnny was saying that Wharton was no fun - that was harsh too. I was only giving back.</p>

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<p>Difference is mine is accurate.</p>